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whats your question here BTW?
talking of problems in the society is not an un-Islamic act BTW. Being Muslim you might know that burying of daughters was not problem in all Arab tribes, but Quran did speak about that
My question was how can U impose things on me that I myself have not heard of? LIke karokari, vani, and marriage by................! And U tried to attribute these things to me.
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So you want to say such thing never happened in india…
i culture section we always discuss such weird issues…
though i dont owe you an explanation …even you are charging us of falsehood…
i am giving you one example…
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/culture-literature-and-linguistics/598302-peer-ki-oonthni.html
visit this thread and come back here to discuss..
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No where has Muqqawee associated all Indians with this custom. If I have missed something please point me towards it. Thanks.
U have missed nothing brother, neither Muqawwe associated all Indians with this rare custom. I just wanted to make it clear that nothing of this kind happens in India for sure, and if even few incidents have happened, than they can be counted on fingertips and therefore can be dismissed as rare and exceptional case in this nation of over 130 million ppls.
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My question was how can U impose things on me that I myself have not heard of? LIke karokari, vani, and marriage by................! And U tried to attribute these things to me.
where did I impose karokari, vani, etc on you or anyother Indian. I pointed that these things happen in certain areas of Pakistan and our people know about them and got awareness even during the periods when media was not that open.
Can you kindly point out in which post did I attributed these things to you?
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What is the example dude? what U want to prove by it? and sorry, the story is about Pakistan, and I never indulge myself in debates which are useless for humankind. These isolated incidents mean nothing to me, but real issue does.
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What is the example dude? what U want to prove by it? and sorry, the story is about Pakistan, and I never indulge myself in debates which are useless for humankind. These isolated incidents mean nothing to me, but real issue does.
Then why are you bothering to reply in this thread....
if its not of your interest stay away.....
i gave you an example that good and bad all kind of customs from all religions are discussed here...
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SPITI VALLEY, HIMACHAL PRADESH, India — An array of stars twinkled over Himalayan peaks towering nearly three miles high, while below in the chilly darkness a husband and wife relaxed after their 120-mile pilgrimage. Leaning back in chairs in front of a guest house, warm in their woolen clothing, they appeared indistinguishable from the hundreds of others who had come to hear the teachings of a Buddhist leader.
What set them apart was the person they had left behind: the woman’s other husband.
Polyandry, or the practice of one woman marrying two or more husbands simultaneously, used to be fairly common in this extremely remote area of Himachal Pradesh and in other parts of India and Tibet. With increased exposure to the outside world, fewer and fewer people now form such family structures. But just the opposite trend is true in the neighboring state of Haryana.
As polyandry fades from some of its traditional locations, like Lahaul and Spiti valleys, the lack of females in other states is fueling its resurgence.
Polyandry’s roots sink deep into the soil of Buddhist and Hindu culture here in Himachal Pradesh, a week’s journey from the China border. The Mahabharata, an ancient Hindu text, mentions the practice in the story of Draupadi, a princess who married five kings at once, according to Indian historian Sarva Daman Singh, who wrote the 1988 book “Polyandry in Ancient India.” Tibetans have practiced polyandry for centuries, although it is now officially illegal there.
The husband in Kaza, Baldev Nath, 50, said that “everyone is pleased” with their shared-spouse arrangement, including his older brother and their common wife, 55-year-old Dalma Tashi, although he did not allow her to participate in the interview.
“There are three causes of disputes between brothers: zar, zorou and zamin (gold, women and land),” Nath said. “If there is a common zorou, there is no dispute.”
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Probably about 500 families still practice polyandry in the valleys of Lahaul and Spiti, according to Bishan Lal Thakur, a guest house owner in Kaza who grew up in a polyandrous family and has served as a guide throughout the region for much of his life. This is probably around half of what the number was 100 years ago, Thakur said. It is difficult to know the exact numbers, because India’s censuses do not take polyandry into account. Himachal Pradesh Deputy Commissioner Paul Rasu confirmed that polyandry was disappearing from the valleys, where more than 33,000 people live.
Avoiding property disputes may have been the most important factor influencing the region’s propensity for polyandry. Spiti and its neighboring valley, Lahaul, are so high that arable land is limited and resources are scarce, conditions that cannot support a large and growing population.
When multiple men share the same wife, however, the arrangement creates a natural bottleneck to check population growth, since the woman can become pregnant only so frequently no matter how many husbands she has. Now, with road crews lumbering through the valleys and internet connections and mobile phones proliferating, contact with the outside world and the possibility of leaving the valleys for work, or spouses, elsewhere is hastening the extinction of polyandry in the region.
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U have missed nothing brother, neither Muqawwe associated all Indians with this rare custom. I just wanted to make it clear that nothing of this kind happens in India for sure, and if even few incidents have happened, than they can be counted on fingertips and therefore can be dismissed as rare and exceptional case in this nation of over 130 million ppls.
There's no need to be defensive. Do you believe there are no issues in India? If there are issues, you guys wont reach anywhere without discussing them. You need to first convince yourselves that there is an issue, analysis and solutions come later.
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where did I impose karokari, vani, etc on you or anyother Indian. I pointed that these things happen in certain areas of Pakistan and our people know about them and got awareness even during the periods when media was not that open.
Can you kindly point out in which post did I attributed these things to you?
Okay bro,
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what do you think majority of Pakistani families are involved in Karo Kari, Vani, marriage with Quran, etc which have been hilighted by Pakistani media to create awareness. Its not the problem of majority of Pakistanis, but they are not being setaside by saying that these are rare cases
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What I can think of issues I have never heard of and never interested in hearing about stray incidents too. And if these incidents have been highlighted by Paki media, than I m sure that these things might have happened in the society too often, and not as rarely as polyandry is happening in India. got it?
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There's no need to be defensive. Do you believe there are no issues in India? If there are issues you guys wont reach anywhere without discussing them. You need to first convince yourselves that there are issues, the analysis and solutions come later.
Mere bhai there are real issues with us. And among these issues, I feel that growing communal ism and hatred on religious basis is only and most important issue to be addressed. U can see urself that an Indian muslim is not happy with India and its constitution. he feels that Pakistanis are better than Indians on minority treatments. this is the biggest issue for me.
Why so? because there is a right wing party in my nation who always brings up such issues, and keep telling hindus that muslims are not loyal to India. Dont U feel that this kind of message can make things worst for India?
But same muslim brother never comes up with problems with India, and try to tell me that muslims in Pakistan are more tolerant towards its minorities rather than Indian hindus towards muslims. These things are enough to polarize Indian hindus against muslims. which is going to be our nightmare.
And things like ladies marrying more than one men, or anything else, are not going to affect Indian society at all. therefore are not real issue.
So when I have told U my problem, will U ask my Indian brother to come up with real issues that haunts muslims like himself in their day-to-day lives and are worthy of addressing?
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Then why are you bothering to reply in this thread....
if its not of your interest stay away.....
i gave you an example that good and bad all kind of customs from all religions are discussed here...
Thats my mistake and I admit it, so I quit, will talk to U on another thread, regarding many more issues which involves U too.
Thats my mistake and I admit it, so I quit, will talk to U on another thread, regarding many more issues which involves U too.
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In pakistan no right wing party came to power unlike india …
When you blamed muslims for intolerance as a muslim its my right to defend that false allegation
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Okay bro,
What I can think of issues I have never heard of and never interested in hearing about stray incidents too. And if these incidents have been highlighted by Paki media, than I m sure that these things might have happened in the society too often, and not as rarely as polyandry is happening in India. got it?
The custom of marriage with Quran is non existence and there are may be no cases during last 50 years, but issue was hilighted in couple of dramas from state owned PTv and the writer of these dramas later explained that they even didn't observe such thing in their life and their portrayal was based on what they heard from their elders.
Our media also made dramas on Mukhtaran Mai and Dr Shazia case, which are rare by your definition. Even there was an incident of police harassing ladies in a village in Punjab during Zia regime that was also hilighted.
So being rare issue doesn't absolve us to close our eyes and say let it go.
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In pakistan no right wing party came to power unlike india ... When you blamed muslims for intolerance as a muslim its my right to defend that false allegation
In Pakistan, all parties are right wing according to Indian definition of right wingers. All of them wont fight for hindus to get same political rights in Pakistan as of muslims. In India, even right wing parties cant dare to change the constitution and wean Indian muslims of their political rights.
Will U try to understand this?
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In Pakistan, all parties are right wing according to Indian definition of right wingers. All of them wont fight for hindus to get same political rights in Pakistan as of muslims. In India, *even right wing parties cant dare to change the constitution and wean Indian muslims of their political rights. *
Will U try to understand this?
really who told you that?
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really who told you that?
BJP ppls told me that while ruling India for 5 good years. do U know this by now?
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BJP ppls told me that while ruling India for 5 good years. do U know this by now?
BJP was not in full majority otherwise ...They would have established hindu Rajya
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BJP was not in full majority otherwise ...They would have established hindu Rajya
I agree, similarly U will agree with me that if my relatives would not have died in past 1000 years, my family would be owning a city in India to live in.
Mere bhai, why BJP could never come in full majority? ever thought of that? because majority hindus dont like their anti muslim stance. And now they too have softened that sensing majority sentiments.
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