Bad Saudi Vibes

**[Ifran hussain spot on…

putting this in PA as Pakistanis are among the biggest victims of the House of Saud. Most of our journalists and politicians always hide the Saudi sins and never expose their financing of all the killers in Pakistan.

Bad Saudi vibes](http://www.dawn.com/news/1160530/bad-saudi-vibes)**

             [Irfan Husain](http://www.dawn.com/authors/271/dawnirfanhussain)                Updated about 8 hours ago               
                                                                                                                               
            
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                                 THIS last week witnessed the gathering of the great and the good in Riyadh to pay their respects to the  recently departed King Abdullah, and to suck up to King Salman, the newly crowned monarch.

Next month, many of these same worthies will meet in Washington to discuss measures to counter terrorism.
How many lives have to be lost before Western leaders finally connect the dots between the Wahabi/Salafi ideology being pumped out by the desert kingdom and the killing fields of Iraq, Syria, Nigeria, Afghanistan and Pakistan?
It was no coincidence that many of the 9/11 suicide bombers and planners, as well as Osama bin Laden, happened to be Saudi citizens. Over the years, a large body of evidence has been built up by diplomats, journalists and intelligence agencies pointing to the nexus between jihadi terror and extremist elements in Saudi Arabia. And yet King Abdullah’s death is being considered a huge loss.
In his tribute, President Obama went so far as saying of Abdullah’s deeds: “They will outlive him as an enduring contribution to the search for peace in the region.” Really? Since when has the architect of a project that has destabilised much of the Muslim world deserved such accolades?
[HR][/HR] Saudi support has blocked change in the Middle East.

[HR][/HR] In 1924-25, Ibn Saud, the founder of the current Saudi dynasty, defeated the Hashemites and seized control of Saudi Arabia with the help of the British. According to contemporary accounts, over the next seven years or so, tens of thousands were killed, many more had a limb amputated and up to a million fled Saudi Arabia.
So when we deplore the actions of the Islamic State, we need to remember who provided them with a model for conquest. And when we are repulsed by their public beheading of prisoners, we need to keep in mind the fact that on Fridays, those given the death penalty by Saudi Arabia’s opaque and draconian legal system are decapitated in public squares.
In a Faustian pact, the Saudi monarchy is left unchallenged by the country’s ultra-conservative clergy, provided it does not try and bring the country out of the 7th century. Meanwhile, millions of dollars are sent from private and public sources to madressahs in mostly poor Muslim countries.
Saudi Arabia, among some other Arab states, also funds mosques in Western cities where many clerics, whose salaries are reportedly paid by Riyadh, preach hate against the West and non-Wahabi sects. While the official Wahabi clergy stick to a literalist, joyless interpretation of Islam, they overlook the injunctions against rule by despots. They have thus provided the Saudi royal family with a spurious legitimacy in exchange for the tight control they wield over internal social policy. The royal family and the clergy are in a symbiotic embrace that has made them a barrier to change.
With an army of some 7,000 princes to keep in style, the House of Saud has a strong incentive to maintain a lucrative status quo. This creates their leverage with Washington, London and Paris: with the world’s biggest oil reserves, Saudi Arabia has been ensuring a steady supply of oil to the global markets.
The other factor that keeps leaders like Obama and Cameron onside is the rich market for arms the kingdom has become over the years. These purchases, often accompanied with allegations of vast bribes, generate jobs as well as obscene profits.
Finally, the ‘stability’ repeatedly evoked in the recent eulogies to Abdullah refers to his role in leading the fight to roll back the Arab Spring. From Egypt to Bahrain, it has been Saudi money and political support that has blocked change. Simultaneously, however, Saudi Arabia has also reportedly financed extremist rebel groups in Syria.
But there are signs that the Saudis are losing some of their leverage in Washington. When Obama decided against launching an attack on Syria, it was a big setback for Riyadh. For King Abdullah, it was a humiliating reminder that his country is no longer the highest American priority.
Another reality check came when Obama refused to be led into an Israeli-inspired attack on Iran to destroy its nuclear programme and ambitions. A senior Saudi had been quoted in a leaked US diplomatic cable urging the Americans to “cut off the serpent’s head”.
But Saudi support for General Sisi has been directly helpful to Israel as Egypt has acted vigorously against Hamas, shutting down virtually all the tunnels that had been a lifeline for the beleaguered Palestinians virtually imprisoned in the tiny enclave of Gaza.
Thus far, the Saudi government has bought off its people by giving them huge subsidies and many free services. But with falling oil prices, it may not be able to forever bribe the young to stay quiet. Its Shia population in eastern Saudi Arabia is growing increasingly restless under unending discrimination and repression. And no system, even one as backward as Saudi Arabia’s, stays static forever.
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Published in Dawn, January 31st, 201

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So its India, the US and Israel for the conservatives.

And its Saudi Arabia, and the gulf countries for the liberals.

Wow it seems like they are two sides to the sane coin! :rolleyes:

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interesting typo “sane coin” … at least there is some sanity left in Pakistan!

unless it was intentional

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bad vibes for sure, when Pakistani media has openly started discussing the Saudi Arab angle in terrorism within the country.

I remember very well when I joined an Afghan discussion forum in the wake of 911. The people on the forum were very viciously anti Pak and Saudia. Couldnt fathom this at that time, now I understand seeing it closely during the past decade after immense damage.

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In his tribute, President Obama went so far as saying of Abdullah’s deeds: “They will outlive him as an enduring contribution to the search for peace in the region.” Really? Since when has the architect of a project that has destabilised much of the Muslim world deserved such accolades?
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In 1924-25, Ibn Saud, the founder of the current Saudi dynasty, defeated the Hashemites and seized control of Saudi Arabia with the help of the British. According to contemporary accounts, over the next seven years or so, tens of thousands were killed, many more had a limb amputated and up to a million fled Saudi Arabia.
So when we deplore the actions of the Islamic State, we need to remember who provided them with a model for conquest. And when we are repulsed by their public beheading of prisoners, we need to keep in mind the fact that on Fridays, those given the death penalty by Saudi Arabia’s opaque and draconian legal system are decapitated in public squares.
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Think about this.

Pakistan has one neighbor in chaos since two decades, okay fine we meddled too, however ONE country, ONE neighbor's instability has almost paralyzed us. Yet I look around...Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Yemen, essentially three parts of Iraqi State.... four countries all burning yet the country in the center has remained virtually untouched. The obvious reason doesn't need spelling out.

All the filth, the terrorist scum that is funded can be traced back to these Saudi traitors who sit in their palaces and have given the Muslim world nothing but death and misery.

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I agree that present day Saudi Arabia / Qatar are responsible for the miserable state of the entire muslim world today. Found the following link. Sane muslims all over the world need to wake up. Now I also understand why the prophet (PBUH) prayed for the people of Syria and Yemen but not for ‘Najd’:

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I think we all know the problem & the role that Saudis are playing in destabilizing the Muslim world. The million dollars question is what should or can we do? How do we prevent Saudi petrodollars from being used in brainwashing our kids from becoming suicide bombers?

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By building a public opinion that exposes saudis, so that the aam public of Pakistan knows better than to take money from them. So that when a masjid is built by a local community in Pakistan, they use their own local funding, and donations rather than saudi money, and they look at where the books are coming from, etc.

You'd be surprised at the literature there is in Pakistan. My uncle touts his "Islamic books" that he goes to higher end bookstores in Karachi to buy. I picked one up once, and was very surprised. It was supposed to be a book on the history of the prophets and whoever wrote it got the whole story of Adam-Eve wrong. He described the Christian versian in which Eve is wrong. Then some nonsense about a lizard in another story, I was like ok this isn't even in the Quran, although it cited the Quran as a source. And then a bunch of the other stories on prophets were focused on violence and misogyny to the point that I saw discrete obvious errors on the stories. And that's based on my preliminary knowledge of studying in Islamic school in the US - just based on Quran readings and looking up hadith to do essays on life of certain Prophets when I was a kid. (I was quite the nerd even in Islamic school).

And that's what wealthy educated people are reading. I'm like you guys are reading BS literature that is factually inaccurate.

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From the following verse of Surah Hujurat, it seems like these people did not even spare the prophet Mohammed (PBUH) himself from teaching to him the “correct” version of Islam:

SUNNAT WAL JAMAAT: The Tribe of Banu Tamim in Quran !

Were they telling the prophet (PBUH) the ‘correct’ context of the Quranic verses which were revealed to Him while disrespecting him at the same time, just like they’re teaching all of us by example what exactly the Quran means and what all of us muslims should be following? And if we dont, that means we are all KAFIRS hence deserve to be slaughtered in the name of Allah. I wonder from where they learn their version of Islam which they wanted to teach to the prophet and now to us.