Bad Pakistani guy, or just normal?

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Well tell your friend to go tell her herself if she feels so angry about it. I personally don't think that she'll listen. Why would she? No one ever listens to anyone else about warnings when it comes to relationships and I know you're hurting but you should draw a line under it and move on. He obviously has. There's plenty of guys out there who would snap you up and treat you the way you should be treated and I hope this experience doesn't put you off dating other Muslim men, we're not all like this.

Two questions you should ask a Muslim before you get serious with him, 1 - ask them if they see a future with you and if they want you to convert and 2 - see if they will still want a future with you even if no one including their parents agrees with the relationship but then again, they might just lie and tell you what you wanna hear and do a 360 when the time comes but that's life. We learn from experiences.

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Honestly, what are you trying to accomplish by warning her? From personal experience it's rarely worked. What does your gut feeling tell you?

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Tell her if you think it will help, but also remember this can cause even more problems for you as well. Such as, if the girl mentions you told her, your ex can lie, say you are jealous and even get angry at you directly for it. So think it through... I don't know what kind of guy he is so it's your call on that one.

Also, since this relationship is over and he is officially a douchebag, I would say good riddance to him and thank your lucky stars that you found out now rather than later. My advice also - just don't get involved with any guy who shares these kinds of mentalities. Such as forcing you to convert for him (which isn't even permissible, you can't change your religion for a guy, it should be for your love of the faith), making you do things you are not comfortable with - dressing a certain way, learning another language forcibly, etc.. we do many things out of love but when it's always one-sided then it's not love on their part at all. I mean how many times will you bend over backwards for a person until you say no thanks I'm done. So when a guy's demands become more and more frequent then it's a major red flag in my eyes. Keep your eyes out for guys like that and just don't get involved with them.

I know it hurts right now, but trust me this guy isn't worth a single tear, so just brush it off, be happy you didn't find out a year or two later and carry on with your life. The right man will find you. :)

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i don't understand if the guy was so Pakistani then why did he want someone who was into Middle eastern politics and why did he proposed to the girl who became Arab and adopted Arab culture? Where is the Pakistani thing in here?

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Thank you everyone for the advice. I thought about each scenario (telling her vs. not telling her) and it would be too much drama saying something, and then yes, I would look like a crazy jealous ex. Better to make peace and move on. Also, I heard that they have already done the marriage documents, so it wouldn't make a difference anyone. I know that recompense comes in the afterlife.....but I still can't help but hope that since I am feeling the pain now....he will feel the pain later! As for the girl not being Pakistani....that's why I was extremely angry.....he was basically lying to me. I think he just wanted someone super Muslim, and I'm a new convert......so I am just not there yet I guess.

I DID start dating another Pakistani guy.....I asked him those questions.....he's 32 and ready to get married (he's a dentist).....and he said his parents will let him choose whoever he wants to marry. You're right....he might give me a 360 in the end....but I guess we will see. Right now my main concern is that although I have converted to Islam, it will take a certain kind of Muslim man to take me the rest of the way....because I just converted a month ago....and I still don't know how to properly pray, or do anything, really. I might just need to focus on that before getting to into the relationship. Because I am not sure yet what kind of Muslim girl I will be.....

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Why are you so keen to convert anyway? If you don't mind me asking.

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I had never heard of Islam until I moved to Saudi Arabia. I've been studying it for 2 years now, and I believe it...and I would like to have a Muslim husband and life :)

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You never heard of Islam before that? Where in this world were you living before and how do I get there?

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I grew up in Kentucky...everyone is white christian there! I'd heard of Islam but never took time to look into it. When I was finally introduced to the beliefs in the Middle East, it resonated with me in a way that Christianity never did. So here I am...lol!

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I’m so sorry that has happened to you. Not all Pakistani guys are like this. It’s a shame he used you like that. Clearly, he wasn’t practicing like he made himself out to be. If he truly cared about Islam, he would not have led you on like that. There is no such thing as a “halal relationship” nor “halal dating”. This is why these kind of relationships are forbidden in Islam, because on thing leads to another and in the end, you end up being hurt. I honestly feel so bad that he used you like this. Being new to Islam, you probably did not know of all this and he basically used you.

It’s a cultural thing. Culture and Islam are two different things. In Pakistani culture, it is acceptable to do a lot of things that aren’t Islamic. When culture and religion clash, choose Islam, because you will never go wrong with it.

As someone else mentioned, he sounds like the kind of guy who thinks it’s perfectly alright for a man to commit zina (adultery), but when a women does it, labels her as “unpure”. This is not the case, as it is forbidden for all Muslims, regardless of whether they are a man or woman. Again, the cultural aspect comes in to it. In Pakistan, if a man commits zina and that proposes to a woman, yes, it is looked down upon, but people are more likely to forget about it and accept the man’s proposal. If the same happened with a woman and she repented, became practicing, Pakistani society would find it extremely hard to move on. Mind you, this doesn’t just happen in Pakistani culture, it happens with Arabs, Indonesians, Malaysians, etc. This is why we should follow Islam, and not culture. A lot of things our culture tells us to do is the complete opposite of what Islam teaches us. A lot of the sahaba (companions) radhiAllah anhu had horrible pasts, but when Islam came, they left their jahilliya (ignorance) and began to practice Islam.

Sister, I love you for the sake of Allah. Please do not be fooled by these types of men, and turn to Allah. Insha’Allah you will be able to move on from this man. He is not worth you, you are worth so much more.

Regarding the sister, yes I would highly recommend that you let her know of what he has done to you. Would you want another innocent sister to go through the same thing you have gone through? It is the reverts that are unaware of the ploys of these types of men, and fall into their traps. Another sister I know online had married an Arab brother, unaware of his intentions. She gave him everything, and what did he do in return? When he got the citizenship, he left her. This is why it is taught in Islam to marry a man based on his deen. Doing so will save you in the future, and it is better for your akhirah as well. Let her know, it is your duty to warn her. It will not be considered as gossiping because your intention (insha’Allah) is only to save the sister from going through the same thing as you. Please let her know.

Also, please watch this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzy4i1toMvc

This is a channel on youtube that makes videos about different situations that people have gone through. Do watch the video insha’Allah and remember me in your dua.

Assalamu 'alaikum.

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this has to be it. when you are a dentist, 32 is a magical age. carpe diem!

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I need to find my way there and high5 the whites.

I wish you all the best though. You sound like a keeper.

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That's a very good point....no such thing as halal dating. I have noticed a lot of differences in the culture and what I would consider Islam to be.... (especially and surprisingly in Saudi). It's very interesting. Someone had messaged me and recommended the book called "It's Called a Break up Because it's Broken"....I read it in a day and it was so helpful, empowering, and funny at the same time. So if anyone else is going through a similar situation, this is the book for you!

Thank you everyone for your kind support. When I originally posted, I was in a hysterical position....and having never posted in a forum before, I didn't know what to expect. A week later, I am doing a million times better already, a lot of which I can attribute to the kind words of you all here. I'm not messaging the ex, but moving on with my life....and maybe even with this Pakistani dentist (who I am just hoping doesn't also turn out to be a complete douchebag)! May Allah bless you all :)

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gorigirl84 - I am very sorry to hear about what your ex did to you. May you find someone 10X better than him. However, I am still confused as to how you were able to get away with dating and ahem ahem with a male in a country like saudi arabia? The religious police are everywhere and they follow sharia law which is very strict on these types of “so called offenses.” I really didn’t think people can actually get away with having pre-marital relationships in a country like saudi of all places!:confused:

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Gorigirl - very happy to read that you've taken control and decided to move on!

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Well....I live in one of the more liberal areas of KSA, and the a blind eye tends to be shown to the expats (especally us that are so obv. American-- blonde haired, blue eyed!)....and Saudi Arabia is NOT what people think!! I couldn't believe it either....

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Salam .
Glad that u decided not to break his new marriage.
Obviously that relationship wasted your year but there might be some upsides.

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Well in my opinion he wanted to have a family with you and when he couldn’t see it working out in pure Islamic way where a Muslim mother teaches her kids about Islam from the very beginning being a good role model and all the things you need while raising kids as a Muslim. Plus his family showing him the same thing I just told.

Otherwise I don’t think there is any other reason and when he found another woman embracing Islam the way it’s meant to be he didn’t wait. And I can say with confidence that if you’d have done all that you might be mother of his kids till now.

Lastly it’s not the Pakistani men. There are levels of Deen/Religion/Islam every particular Muslim posses and speaking from a very deep Islamic roots/beliefs and background that’s all he wanted as a family. He slept with you is his personal matter with Allah.

And it’s beautiful you started studying Islam, just try not to let go of it and pray to Allah he’ll definitely hear you and show you a much better way. All the best!

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Say what you want but Pakistani men in general will (given) the chance chase the visa/greencard.

Its a shame you didn’t meet a decent Pakistani guy in the west. (The drama would probably be the same from the parents lol)

All the best.

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It can be really hard to separate the good Pakistani guys from the bad ones! Or maybe that’s true of all men / people in general. There are definitely enough Paki guys that ‘sow their wild oats’ so to speak, sleep around but then want a very ‘pure’ / virgin / innocent girl to marry in the end. And also enough Paki guys that chase the greencard too. I’d be very careful when making a commitment and spending months and / or year/s with a guy. Also, in a country like KSA where a lot of people are immigrants and not residents, I think the ‘atmosphere’ might be different too. For a lot of people moving to such places is an extended vacation where they don’t have a lot of family and don’t feel as accountable for their actions and might not be serious when it comes to relationships. As in I’ve heard lots of people just sleep around when abroad and living in expat communities, some people even with spouses and fiances etc back home. Just my two cents. I’d say be very careful as to who you trust!!