Bad-Dua and Wishing Azaab

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Isn’t it a bit big-headed to believe that we can actually cause something bad to happen to someone just by wishing it upon them?

I don’t get it.

Seriously though…I know that people can come in here and argue that this does exist and that they can prove it through religious references but come on…do you really think that Allah will blindly allow something to happen without considering the consequences or keeping in mind other influencing factors?

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I think the outcome of the bad-dua is less concerning, since of course it is for Allah to know what will happen. The issue is the perceived lack of compassion that wishing azaab upon another implies. Intellectually, each of us knows the majority of people are kind-hearted and compassionate. But in exactly the same way the thinking/wishing of a bad-dua is a visceral reaction to tragic circumstances, the condemnation of the giver of the bad-dua is also a visceral reaction.

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I hear you Sehrysh......but let's take the emotion out of it.
Then what do you have left?

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Just a couple of days ago I was begging Allah mian for something (surprise surprise :p ) and I thought about the "moment of acceptance" or qabooliyat ki ghari.... You know what they say, jub bhi munh se baat nikaalo, achi baat nikaalo, kia pata kub qabooliyat ki ghari ho...

I was thinking, even if we did end up making a bud-dua during that moment of acceptance, wouldn't Allah mian know not to accept our bud-dua if we really didn't mean it? Or does He accept it just to teach us a lesson .... k no more bud-duas?

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If we take emotions out of it then we can have people call me kutta and zaleel cause calling them does not make me kutta and zaleel ..

Ok that was just an example you people :ASA:

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TLK, :D

I think we all give bad-duas at some point or the other without actually meaning what we are saying but what happens in the process is the bitterness that develops because of it. I know bad-duas come out of extreme emotions that stem out of disappointments, shocks, anger, etc... but then those very emotions can be converted to sabr and giving dua, at least in a less emotional and more ideal set up.

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Nkki sort of touched upon what I wanted to point out.....

The source of what we refer to as bad-dua is more often than not an extreme emotion. If that be the case then it can only go that the person issuing said bad-dua is not completely in the right frame of mind.........I'm sure that if humans can afford that person some leniency then the Almighty will do the same.

I don't find it very intelligent of anyone to take the words of someone that is obviously reacting to a strong stimulation as those coming from their heart.

Call me an optimist but I do believe in everyone being born pure, kind and compassionate. I have hope eternal that, at heart, nobody is bad or wishes bad upon another human.

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Since the bad-dua is born of raging emotions - kinda tough to divorce the emotions from the action or reaction. But, yes I see where you're going with this - a bad-dua in itself may be powerless/meaningless, therefore why worry or upset oneself over it.

But again this assumes people are rational and are capable of compartmentalizing their emotions and using reason, when emotions are paramount.

The only thing I can say, is that time and space give perspective and allow for the "thanda dimagh" and reason.

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isn't there some saying that only those who can keep their heads when others are losing theirs' will succeed.......or something like that............

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same argument can be use for someone who killed another being. should we extend some leniency to the killer also?

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absolutely not......although the insanity plea has been known to work several times.

it goes without saying that one would consider the impact/consequences of each. one is much more drastic and harsh than the other hence deserving of a different reaction.

I almost can't believe that you are comparing these two.

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every adult is responsible and should be held accountable for their action unless their mantel disablity is a known issue.

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Spot on , Muzna ... Infact, I want to highlight one other thing... sadness, disappointment , anger together make a very bad combination... they can cause an individual to react in a completely strange manner. We have to keep in mind that people react in different ways .. some through words, some through tears, some through silence ... If under the normal circumstances , an individuals goes about giving bad-dua's ...we can understand if he gets shunned by people around him.

But if an individual gives out the bad dua words out of immense despair and grief due to an incident that provoked intense emotions , then before targetting that individual , people must keep the incident and its effect in their minds .

An Example: how many of us havnt at some point in life said " I just wanna die " , most of us have said it in extreme disappointment and grief. Does it actually mean that we want to die? ofcourse not ... its a momentary phase that hits us...

Another example: Mothers getting irritated with their kids saying " chulay wich pao" ... does it actually mean that she wants to burn her kids? no she doesnt , its a temporary state of mind , anger expresssed through harsh words ..

Many of us use a very common term "jahanam mai jao " .. isnt that a bad dua? it is ... but its a temporary phase ... it passes and we are back to normal ... its not like we really want to see the person burning in hell .

Therefore, before we draw comparisons between murderers and ordinary/innocent/hurt/disappointed people , we must be extremely careful and keep the circumstances in consideration which are causing the extreme emotion.