Baby Showers in Islam

Are they allowed in Islam or I should rather ask are they forbidden in Islam?

By baby shower I mean bunch of ladies gathering up, eating food, chatting & probably playing some games. No music or no men.

My & my sister got into a real big argument about this issue.
Her thing was why advertise? Advertising a pregnancy is not recommended in Islam.
What if you get nazar?
Its unIslamic because Americans do it.
Simple plain “Oh its Gunnah” She sounded as if she was disgusted by the idea.

My reasoning: Adopting a culture or tradition is allowed in Islam. Adopting religious practices are not. As long as we are not doing it because we wanna follow a certain fashion or be like others. I just find it to be cute to pamper an expecting mom & just another way of getting together & having some good time.

As long as we don’t incorporate any thing forbidden in Islam in the gathering its okay.

I did some online research. Most scholars seems to be okay with it as long as the gathering is Halal. But then there are a couple who bluntly state its haraam because you are following others’ traditions & quote an Ayat which means something like “if you follow them you become one of them”

What do you people say?

What do I need to post this in all views or something to get any response?

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if you follow them in stuff which are not prescribed by Islam then yes it is wrong. However, other cultures also have get togethers, whether it be for birthdays or for whatever else reason.. if its just a reason of getting together than Islam plays no role in it. Provided that you do stuff which are atleast in the category of "ok" in islam or permissible. Islam is not against happiness if Islamic teachings are kept in mind. Have fun

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That's what I thought. Thanks for posting Popat.

Anyone else who can quote a Hadith or Ayat that I can show to my sister as a proof.

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**islam meN rule of the thumb is k agar Qur'aan aur Hadees ke Khilaaf koii baat anhiiN ho rahii to koi haraj nahiiN use apnaane meN.

As far as i am aware there is nothing thats islamicallly illegal in having baby shower as long as islamic norms are maitained. thank you**

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Thanks you for responding Hashmat. Mai bhi yehi baat samjha rahi thi usay. But the fact that she wears an Abaya & I don't she discredited my right there that I don't have much knowledge about Islam. So I have been looking for actual Hadiths or Ayats that I could show her as a proof. For some reason I knew you were gonna post something. Anyways.

So no Hadiths or Ayats han?


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ji maiN samajhtaa huN aapkii mushkil aur kaash amiN is mushkil ko aasaan kar paataa magar mere paas yaa meri daanist meN aisii koi Hadees yaa Qur'aanii aaya hai. lemme talk to my imaam saab and see what has has to say on the issue. he has a PhD in islamic jurisprudence from Madian university so i think he is knowledgable to say something, insha Allah**

Oh that'll be really nice of you. If you can, I'll really appreciate that.

Jazak Allah Khair in advance :)

By the way your Urdu is very "nafees"

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Peace Bint-e-Naeem

People ask Mufti's to provide criteria for allowance and that is in my understanding the wrong approach to seeking advice. Rather we should look to what the essence of noble conduct is in Islam, rather than asking if something is allowed we should ask if something is 'good' or considered 'excellent' to do.

The only case where the question "Is it allowed?" should surface is when there is no option otherwise or if by not doing so we go against a law in the country we are in.

In such a case of "baby showers" look to the essential intent of the act. Is it not just another excuse of promoting other to give you gifts?

So one element is that it would most certainly be better to throw a party for someone rather than throw a party for yourself, because then one cannot be blamed for trying to get gifts from others - so this way one cannot be blamed for being materially driven.

You say the intent is a bunch of ladies gathering, eating, chatting and playing games.

This again is fine but a better position would be that when gathered to share with each other hadith and recite Qur'an. Speak less and avoid gossip, eating healthy food and conservative amounts, playing games but not during prayer times, and so on. This intent so long as all who attend know this will turn a relatively neutral gathering to one that may have a lot of blessing.

Lastly, which is the reason why I believe that "baby showers" although may be allowed are not entirely 'noble' acts, is because the best of people in our Traditional Islamic past women have tried to stay in private away from others in times of pregnancies. The manner in which Maryam (AS) stayed away from people reflects her piety. Finding references of women pregnant is difficult for may be two reason one that the narrators were too shy and the other reason is that those women more than likely avoided the public. This reflects the behaviour of people rather than a legal ruling of what is allowed and that is probably the reason why your sister has reservations regarding this modern practice.

Jazak Allah Khair for posting Psyah. So I am a bit confused now. I did learn some nicer things/ideas from your post but have couple of questions.

Unfortunately for some reason what I wrote I ended up deleting it somehow :( Will write back tomorrow now.


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u r most welcome. aaaaaaaawwwwwwwww ab Lucknow meN palaa baRhaa huN, AligaRh Muslim Universitry meN ta'leem o tarbiyat paayii, ghar meN vaalid marHoom shaa'ir autr amiN Khud bhi tuk-bandiyaa to ab kia meri angrejjii achchhii hogi? lol. vaise, maze kii baat yeh hai k maiN 14 baras kii umr tak urdu bhii nahiiN bol paataa thaa bas chuN k gaaoN meN rahtaa thaa is liye sirf gaaoN waalii boli "poorbii" boltaa thaa...vohi boli jo amitabh aksar apni filmoN meN boltaa hai lol**

I totally respect some of the things you mentioned in the start. But what do you do when people start playing the Halal Haraam game? I personally don't find myself in the position of declaring what's 'jaez" & "najaez" in Islam since I have a lot to learn. I know we should be using our common sense too as well as follow the Quran & Sunnah. But how do you respond to people then? Not saying its a debate here. I find it to be a form of learning more about our religion. But how do handle people who instantly call you a "gunnahgaar" without even thinking twice.

From your post I gather that ladies back in the days didn't expose themselves much while being pregnant. But does that mean hiding one's self from the ladies in the family or their girl friends as well? Most of the times expectant moms share the news with other moms or ladies so they can share the happiness & excitement & also to get advice & tips on coping with the whole situation.

I know that its recommended to hold the news & tell everyone once the baby is born in the form of Aqeeqa. I thought that was for the outer world. Not your immediate family or friends. But I also always used to think its our Desi "culture" that frowns upon women who don't do an extra effort to hide their bellies.

Going back to baby shower. The argument came up because I have a cousin sister in law in my home city who is most of the times ignored by other ladies in the family ( call it family politics) I thought it would be really nice if all the ladies & girls in the family surprised her. Its creates good will as well as everyone has a good time.

You mentioned sharing hadiths & reading Quran. Although I love the idea of sharing Hadiths (probably make Islamic games & quizzes as well), I also know that its never a good idea to ask people to read Quran in a gathering. I have seen numerous people disrespecting the whole idea.

I can also keep in mind nothing collides with the Namaz timing. Jazak Allah Khair for mentioning that as well.

But then as you mentioned in your last paragraph. Does that mean baby shower is not considered a noble thing in Islam. What about American Muslims? As I find it to be a tradition strictly carried among women over here.

p.s I am not trying to contradict you or make sure that I get a positive answer to this question. Just want to make sure if what I plan on doing is right or wrong & will I be getting any gunnah since I am the one who is initiating the whole thing.

Amitabh ka to mujhe nahi pata, but that's really impressive. I have seen people who learn something later at age & put full efforts in making sure they get it right. Keep it up that way & make sure your kids learn it this way too :)