Ayyah!

fantastic1 · May 14, 2006, 12:11pm

Can anyone post the Ayyah of Quran that refers to beating your wife (with jharo ka tinka)

bbbb · May 14, 2006, 12:39pm

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more like the miswaak, InshaAllah I hope your intention is not to mock the ayah.

salam

Light_Bearer · May 14, 2006, 3:24pm

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this one is new to me, i am proud that i can be a wife beater now.

Sadiyah · May 14, 2006, 6:30pm

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Here’s what I could find in relation to the permissibility of hitting one’s wife.

4 – And he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Fear Allaah with regard to women, for you have taken them as a trust from Allaah and intimacy with them has become permissible to you by the words of Allaah. Your right over them is that they should not allow anyone to sit on your furniture whom you dislike; if they do that then hit them but not in a harsh manner. And their right over you is that you should provide for them and clothe them on a reasonable basis.” Narrated by Muslim, 1218. 

What is meant by “they should not allow anyone to sit on your furniture whom you dislike” is that they should not allow anyone whom you dislike to enter your houses, whether the person disliked is a man or a woman, or any of the woman’s mahrams [close relatives to whom marriage is forbidden]. The prohibition includes all of them. From the words of al-Nawawi. 

The hadeeth may be understood as meaning that a man has the right to hit his wife, in a manner that is not harsh and does not cause injury if if there is a reason for that, such as her going against his wishes or disobeying him. 

This is like the verse in which Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

** “As to those women on whose part you see ill‑conduct, admonish them (first), (next) refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly, if it is useful); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance). Surely, Allaah is Ever Most High, Most Great”

[al-Nisa’ 4:34] **

If a woman rebels against her husband and disobeys his commands, then he should follow this method of admonishing her, forsaking her in bed and hitting her. Hitting is subject to the condition that it should not be harsh or cause injury. Al-Hasan al-Basri said: this means that it should not cause pain. 

‘Ata’ said: I said to Ibn ‘Abbaas, what is the kind of hitting that is not harsh? He said, Hitting with a siwaak and the like. [A siwaak is a small stick or twig used for cleaning the teeth - Translator] 

The purpose behind this is not to hurt or humiliate the woman, rather it is intended to make her realize that she has transgressed against her husband’s rights, and that her husband has the right to set her straight and discipline her. 

And Allaah knows best.

Ref: Hitting one’s wife?

I haven’t posted the entire fatwa, which states how a wife has rights over her husband and he should treat her very nicely. I would advise that the individuals here read the entire fatwa before jumping the gun.

Captain1 · May 14, 2006, 7:37pm

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You have to have a wife before that :p

:D

system · May 14, 2006, 7:38pm

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Same verse translated with a slight variation:

4:34 Men are the protectors and maintainers of women. They shall take full care of women with what they spend of their wealth. Allah has made men to excel in some areas and women to excel in some areas. Men must see to it that women are provided for, and that they are able to stand on their feet in the society. So, righteous women are obedient to Allah’s Ordinances and guard their moral values even in privacy, the Values that Allah Commands to be guarded. If you experience rebellion from women, and they stand up against you, apprise them of possible consequences. Next, leave them in their resting places apart from you. And keep admonishing them with examples that they stop rebelling. If they pay heed to you, seek not a way against them. Allah is Most High, Great.

Differfence of opinion or interpertation lies in the Quranic word describing to "strike" ie "Dharb". Same word has been used in the quran in different verses describing "example" or "to stop". Traditional scholars have opted the word to strike in this particular verse, having said that it also makes sense to use the word "example".

dharb=example 13:17, 16:74, 36:13; ‘dharb’ = to stop 18:11, 43:5

Captain1 · May 14, 2006, 7:43pm

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^ maketh sense, whose translation is this?

system · May 14, 2006, 7:45pm

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Dr Shabbir Ahmed