Ayub missed hour of destroying India in 1962.

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http://www.dawn.com/2001/02/06/nat2.htm

Ayub missed hour to free Kashmir: Nasrullah

By Our Staff Reporter

LAHORE, Feb 5: Held Kashmir could have been freed had Pakistan’s armed forces entered the occupied territory soon after China defeated India in 1962 war but the chance was missed by Field Marshal Ayub Khan.

This was stated by Alliance for Restoration of Democracy chief Nawabzada Nasrullah Khan at a Kashmir Day seminar organized by the Jafria Youth at Karbala Gamey Shah on Monday.

He said at that time Western powers came to the rescue of India and forced Pakistan to enter into bilateral negotiations with it. Ayub Khan succumbed to the pressure exerted by the UK and US emissaries.

He said the proposal for bilateral dialogue was a conspiracy of Western powers to give India time to consolidate its defence.

“Ayub Khan did not bother to consult even his cabinet or take the National Assembly into confidence while agreeing to the proposal of foreign minister level talks,” the Nawabzada said.

A lot of time was wasted in six rounds of talks between Zulfikar Ali Bhutto of Pakistan and Swarn Singh of India and as soon as India consolidated its defence by acquiring arms from the United Stated, the negotiations were allowed to break down, he added.

He disagreed with retired Pakistan diplomat Iqbal Akhund’s theory that Pakistan should discuss Kashmir issue separately and should not press for its resolution during bilateral talks.

“It will be betrayal to the blood of thousands of martyrs who sacrificed their lives for the cause.”

Pakistan should never ignore the sacrifices of Kashmiri freedom-fighters for petty advantages like sugar trade etc., he said.

He said on Kashmir Day the people of Pakistan should show to the world that they were united and considered Kashmiris as part of their nation.

“We have already given Pakistani citizenship to thousands of Kashmiris. They have dual nationality as they cast their vote for electing their representatives in legislative assemblies both in Pakistan as well as Azad Jammu and Kashmir. It is indeed a unique privilege which has been denied to Afghan refugees,” he said.

Nawabzada Nasrullah Khan refuted the impression that Pakistan’s support for the Kashmiri freedom-fighters was part of its expansionist designs and said: “We don’t want Kashmir as territory but are supporting them in their struggle for the right to self-determination.”

PML: Speakers at a meeting held at the Muslim League House expressed dissatisfaction over the Kashmir policy being pursued by the military government and demanded that the nation should be taken into confidence about developments on the issue.

Some of them said that the chief executive should not humiliate the nation by repeatedly making abortive efforts for a dialogue with Indian prime minister Vajpayee.

Nawabzada Nasrullah Khan was the chief guest of the meeting, presided over by acting PML president Javed Hashmi.

PML leaders said that people would continue to support the struggle of Kashmiris despite the fact that because of a military rule in the country their voices were being suppressed.

They said an APHC leader had recently said that Pakistan was the sole advocate of Kashmiris but its own case had been weakened for various reasons.

They said there was a time when the Indian prime minister had visited the Minar-i-Pakistan and thus accepted the Two-Nation ideology. But the situation had changed after the overthrow of the PML government.

If the Indian government struck any deal with the Pakistan government through US pressure, the PML would scrap any such deal after returning to power, they said.

A separate ceremony was held at the Shadman office of Mian Muhammad Azhar.

Speakers, including Syed Fakhar Imam, Sikandar Hayat Malhi, Mian Munir, Mian Waheed, Tariq Banday, Mehnaz Rafi, Faqir Husain Bukhari, and Saeedul Haq Siddiqui, praised the Kashmiris for their struggle for their right to self-determination.

Through a resolution, they said the government should not accept any foreign pressure for the solution of the Kashmir problem.

They said the UN should pay an urgent attention to the problem.

Re: Ayub missed hour of destroying India in 1962.

Notice who says so. It like somebody in India saying, India missed hour to free Kashmir (POK) in 1971. Its the current reality that speaks more than words. And didn’t Pakistan try again in 1965, a little more than 2 years after India had a massive drain in its arms and man power fighting China.

Re: Re: Ayub missed hour of destroying India in 1962.

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Notice who says so. It like somebody in India saying, India missed hour to free Kashmir (POK) in 1971. Its the current reality that speaks more than words. And didn't Pakistan try again in 1965, a little more than 2 years after India had a massive drain in its arms and man power fighting China.
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There is a difference of three years between 62 and 65....... Enough time to consolidate.........

I think it was in 1965 when Pakistan army was advancing in Kashmir and there was opportunity to liberate the Kashmir. Anyway does it matter now after 40 years?

Yes, Pakistan had chance in 1962 when India was invaded by China. Chinese troops were almost near Delhi.

And forget about Soviet and US helping out India at that time, because they were arguing about Cuban Missiles that moment. I'm sure everyone is aware of it.

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Yes, Pakistan had chance in 1962 when India was invaded by China. Chinese troops were almost near Delhi.

And forget about Soviet and US helping out India at that time, because they were arguing about Cuban Missiles that moment. I'm sure everyone is aware of it.
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after finishing india they would make mao-tse-tung as god in pakistan.

PT,

Your General Ignorance is showing :hehe:

How do you define “almost near Delhi” ?

I think its time our leaders stop crying over what happened in the past. The best thing to do is to help the Kashmiries to come out of this misery. Let the people of Kashmir tdecide their fate. Pakistan has enough territory and we it would be good if are able to keep whatever we have got intact. We have never been clear as to what course we would like to follow with regard to KAshmir.

However, I don't see independence in the offing for the people of KAshmir. Its high time both parties explore the other options short of complete independence for the troubled region.

I know its a contradiction to say that let the KAshmiris decide and then to mention host of other options available to settle the dispute amicably. But no matter how much we would like to see the wishes of the Kashmiri people being heldup, its not going to work in the near future. Thats the bitter truth but thats what international relations is all about.

Re: Ayub missed hour of destroying India in 1962.

Jo ho gaya us ko bhool jao magar us say sabaq zarror sikho, magar jo honay wala hay us mein pal bhar ki kotahi nahi karna, otherwise people will say history repeat itself.

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How do you define "almost near Delhi" ?
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Why don't you dig a little history of China-India 1962 war despite of giving me a personal attack?

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Why don't you dig a little history of China-India 1962 war despite of giving me a personal attack?
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Why don't you do that.

Pointing out that a person's post is factually incorrect is not a personal attack.

You claimed that China was almost near Delhi in 1962. I disputed it. Now, go prove your claim or accept you were wrong.

Simple :)

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Why don't **you
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Why would I care? We all know how it ended up.

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Pointing out that a person's post is factually incorrect is not a personal attack.
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So, the person's facutally incorrect means this to you: *Your General Ignorance is showing *

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You claimed that China was almost near Delhi in 1962. I disputed it. Now, go prove your claim or accept you were wrong.

Simple :)
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Whatever

So PT,

By saying “whatever” and refusing to back up yor claims, you have shown that you say stuff that you really don’t know or can’t prove. :hehe:

Next time, think before you say something :rolleyes:

Oh really? How many times I’ve asked question and how many times you have backed up your claim both in Pakistan and Kashmir Affairs? You said Chinese weren’t close to Delhi and said that I’m wrong, right? Alright then, tell me how far Chinese Controlled Kashmir is away from Delhi, the chunck you lost?

You disputed my claim, prove me wrong right here by evidence whether Chinese were close to Delhi or not. Whole data of war would be appreciatable.

Plus, I won’t run by not relpying you back because I ain’t gotta habit of running unlike anyone else around here.

Regarding my claim, I came up with 'claim that no ****ing media ever thought about it i.e how easily peace can by maintain by India herself in IOK by not freezing her ass on Siachin but to focus on LoC. Sometimes, not to be spitful, my words/claims become bitter reality for others, which I’ve never proud of.

Time for you to act on it i.e.. Did you answer question about personal attack? Enough said. EOD.

so you guys think Ayub was on the payroll?

real question though is this: whether for being paid of or pressured by or just personal cowardice...it does not matter why - none, including the current musharaf junta - in pakistan have been able to make progress on one front - whether economic, cultural or educational. all because of this obsession about Kashmir. Neither have they been, fortunately for us in India, been able to make any stride militarily due probably to the general inefficiency and lack of fortitude that are common to our great sub-continent (yes I mean India and pakistan).

at the end of the analysis, may be our mutual incompetence at leadership is the great saving grace from this sort of unscientific complex and hatred.

PT

what all happened with the china-india war?

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PT

what all happened with the china-india war?
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Whats been happening with bad Pakis all along.... Indoos kicked chinko ass so bad they are still recovering from it. LOL..!

why would ayub or anyone else want to destroy India?

It is a well known fact, Pakistan could have easily taken over Kashmir (destroying India would be an overstatement) since India was fighting a much stronger opponent on the other side, and sufferring heavy casualties, enough for Nehru to first lash out at the Chinese, beating his dhotis with his stick, terming them as the Chinese, and then after having a look at the bodies coming; shedding tears and calling the Chinese his brothers ;)

But thanks to Mr. Kennedy, and the US, the hands of our leaders were tied, even though they did manage to give a neutral statement regarding this, saying something like 'While the Kashmir issue is at large, Pakistan is monitoring the situation closely'.

we Indians stand duly insulted, ok?

now, question still stands: why would Ayub or any pakistani want to destroy India?