it is said that everyone have belief. Few people claim that they dont believe in faith and have axiomatic beliefs.
what are those axiomatic beliefs???
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So no such thing exists at all, what i can guess?
But this for sure that everyone have belief... that is a glitch with opponents of faith following...
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What is the differnce between belief and faith? :halo:
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well no such a big difference…
but one interesting thing, two words, mathematically, axiomatic(unquestionable) and belief seem contradicting each other…
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well no such a big difference... but one interesting thing, two words, mathematically, axiomatic(unquestionable) and belief seem contradicting each other....
Is atheism a belief?
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Is atheism a belief?
atheists claim that they dont have belief and dont get deluded by anything. however, the truth is, they dont let themselves "deluded" by the concept of God but they are "deluded" by many other things like any other believer of a religion.
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explain. seems interesting 
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ok, will come up with an interesting example in a while…
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Axioms are functionally those things when justification would lead to tautology. A tautology is practically a circular argument. Circular arguments are inherently true, but they do not provide deductive or inductive information. Drawing conclusions from circular arguments is a form of logical fallacy.
One such axiom that faithless people hold is "the material universe is real" ... Some people confuse this statement for "Only the material universe is real" however, this statement is also okay if they then proceed to define what they mean by "real".
They then say that "real" means "tangible" ... So anything other than the material universe is not tangible. If it should be entertained that given the empirically testable material universe is the only reality then it follows that the abstract universe is not real. The abstract universe is mathematics. And it is true - the number 15 does not have tangible form. However, there is a sense of "reality" contained in mathematics for its symmetry, predictability, its manipulative nature, etc ... Indeed the world of logic is abstract and not empirical.
A lot of the atheists a priori assumptions are that the physical world is what is real and therefore God is not real. But for a religious philosopher the questions still stands "Does God exist if He is not real?"
The concept of reality needs to be shifted away from the notion that it is limited to what we can see ... towards that what we can fathom provided what we see is not compromised and what we bring to the abstract universe is not compromised. So the concept of 1 God Who is Unseen, is fathomable, it does not compromise, but supports the abstraction of numbers and it does not compromise but supports the empirical law ... We cannot see God and indeed we say that God is Unseen.
It would be wrong to argue that God does not exist based on the a priori assumption that God cannot be found in the material universe as do the Objectivists suppose.
Axioms are put in place to help harmonise derivative thought processes ...
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Atheism used to be defined as the "disbelief in Deity" - however, they didn't like that definition, because it supposes that something is required for belief in order for it to be disbelieved. They have redefined atheism as:
"The positive affirmation in the non-existence of mythical creatures"
As can be seen the this definition is an axiom - it contain a tautology - "non-existence" "mythical" ... by definition a "myth" does not exist. They say they are merely confirming that a myth is a myth ... there is an a priori assumption there ... that God is a myth like all other myths. Auzdubillah.
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Thanks sharing psyah!
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Psyah explaind very well, however I am revising the example of free will i have given at some other place…
If two IDENTICAL boxes are placed on a table, but there are different amounts of money inside them, with a huge difference, one contains 1000% of amount in other box. One atheist is asked to choose one box and take it home, for some reason. If that atheist doesn’t know which box contains more money, then what could be first thought that will come to that atheist’s mind? Simply the belief…
Having said that, to believe is nature of human being. The same example you can extend to other fields and matters of life. For example, what sort business one should start, what is good for my health, what job will suit me, and so on…
We as Muslim believe in God and atheists believe in non-existence of God. Why atheist believe, because at many places atheists claimed they don’t believe in something they have evidence against its existence whereas science neither “approves” nor “disapproves” the existence of God.
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And when i see someone claiming that they have "everything documented", it seem to me s/he is a believer of science.