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*Originally posted by Mughal-e-Azam: *
It's 12.5 Million, not 1.25 Million... A brand new Merc S-600 costs around 12.5 Million Rupees in Pakistan.
That in terms of US dollars is equivalent to around $215,000 (@ RS. 58 to a dollar).
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my mistake mate!
12.5 mill are about 100K in pounds
but then cars are here are cheaper than PAK, S-600 my tough idea its start from about 70-80 grands
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*Originally posted by Shak killS: *
my mistake mate!
12.5 mill are about 100K in pounds
but then cars are here are cheaper than PAK, S-600 my tough idea its start from about 70-80 grands
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Waisay the price might've dropped after the budget in which a reduction in duty was announced.
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*Originally posted by Brute: *
As for the Corolla vs Civic - The AE101 used the 4AGE engine - a gem of an engine - that span a decade in production, it goes on strong without troubles for more than 200,000 kms - The Honda assembled here that used the D16 Vtec engine experiences vtec control jet malfunction in the mid 50,000 km range and the crank starts to give way at abt 90,000 kms - The suspension system used in the Honda is a double wishbone which suffers from ultra hard rebound up front and the rear uses a huge traling arm that flexes like bubble gum. The very high marketed 4 wheel disc brakes fry at speeds above 140 km/hr.
The toyota on the other hand uses a very simple yet effecient system of Mcpherson struts with long travel. The toyota may look kind of bland but its what under the skin that counts. The brakes are of simple large discs front and drums rear - The body is stiff and solid and the suspension controls the chassis like clockwork.
Any comments would be aprreciated.
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I don't know where you get your info from - Honda is renowned in making engines and that is where it's expertise lies. It takes great pride in it's engines and the VTec is renowned worldwide for it's versatility and durability. What you are describing regarding toyota's brakes and suspension etc is all old technology. disk brakes are much better than drums and they do not fry at over 140km/h. The double wishbone suspension was excellent in its time but now in the new Civic, thats been changed to a 5 point suspension system that is state of the art.
Sorry for biting but as I work for Honda, I feel it is my duty to defend my employer !!
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*Originally posted by CM: *
No clue what the price is but if the average Malay cant own the car, how can the average pakistani?
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If the price is about 12 to 13 lakh, and its as good as a civic (the new orial vti) or the new toyota, I'd say it will do good... Civic has had such super sale in Pakistan, that we had to wait 4 months due to heavy booking for one. Kher, its not the average Pakistanis that made this car a success in Pak, goto Sialkot, and you'l find out virtually every house over there, stashed with civics and corollas...
Hope it becomes a reality!
– Auto sector to face tough competition
KARACHI: The surging demand of automobiles in Pakistan is being seen by many as an opportunity to strike gold and many business groups are readying themselves to market various new brands and versions of four wheelers in the country.
A source in the automobile industry told The News that the buzz that has created most ripples is that Chinese cars were going to be imported into Pakistan and would be priced very cheap. Media has also recently reported that some of the local investors are planning to enter into joint ventures with Chinese auto makers like Fa Group to manufacture cheaper cars in the country.
Another report suggests that Malaysian automobile company that is manufacturing Proton cars in that country also has plans to enter into Pakistani automobile market by establishing a manufacturing facility in collaboration with a local partner.
Link: Daily Jang: Urdu News - Latest Breaking News update Pakistan - jang.com.pk
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*Originally posted by Spock: *
If the price is about 12 to 13 lakh, and its as good as a civic (the new orial vti) or the new toyota, I'd say it will do good... Civic has had such super sale in Pakistan, that we had to wait 4 months due to heavy booking for one. Kher, its not the average Pakistanis that made this car a success in Pak, goto Sialkot, and you'l find out virtually every house over there, stashed with civics and corollas...
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The waiting time for the delivery of various cars has even increased further! Back in Feb, I had inquired about the waiting time for Honda City A/T and guess what they said! If I had booked it then, I would've gotten the car in January 2005!!!
Similar waiting periods were for Civic... As for Corolla, the minimum waiting time still is 5+ months!
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*Originally posted by Mughal-e-Azam: *
The waiting time for the delivery of various cars has even increased further! Back in Feb, I had inquired about the waiting time for Honda City A/T and guess what they said! If I had booked it then, I would've gotten the car in January 2005!!!
Similar waiting periods were for Civic... As for Corolla, the minimum waiting time still is 5+ months!
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meh..might as well get a BMW in 2005. If someone can afford Civics and Corollas costing in millions, then they can also afford a BMW.
by all these comments - I am coming to think that no one actually has worked in the internals of a car to go even further - not really driven a car like it should - except our good ol' Khattana,
It may surprise you that I also own a couple of Honda Accords one 1987 (GSi) and One 1991 Accord Inspire with an H22 Vtec Engine - I dont goto repair shops or even honda workshops (coz I dont need to)- All my friends have their cars repaired or suped up by me. As for worthiness of our local workshops - one of my freinds has a turbocharged Daihatsu charade 1.0 GTti - no one could catch the problem of the turbo oil starvation - causing the turbo to jam (jam = no boost, no boost = no pressure, no pressure = dead acceleration)
All the comments passed earlier are on actual experience and complete teardown and rebuild. I appreciate good technology built ruggedly.
It may surprise you that the Japanese D16Z1 Vtec (jap version of Civic VTi engine) does not suffer from the problems experienced in the Paki model of the engine ( it has beefier connecting rods, a rather heavier crank and a high output oil pump and nice oil ways in the whole engine
If you dont wish to trust me go ask an expert about the same - as for our younger generation drving Hondas - they dont know how to drive a car hard - in my circle of freinds they are called Ricers - they slap some type R stickers, a stupid loud exhaust and think that it would increase hp, they are the real suckers for sporty looks
And lastly mr powers - if you havent experienced broken bushes of the civic rear trailing arm within a year of ownership - you havent driven your car! - I know about suspensions - and no doubt double wishbones are good- when damped nicely! - not like our cars - they are weird
It depends on how you measure your car - by looks, by market sentiment, or downright gut feeling - thats your choice - I measure practicality and service life. thats why I own the above said Hondas; they are made to last a lifetime.
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I don't know where you get your info from - Honda is renowned in making engines and that is where it's expertise lies. It takes great pride in it's engines and the VTec is renowned worldwide for it's versatility and durability. What you are describing regarding toyota's brakes and suspension etc is all old technology. disk brakes are much better than drums and they do not fry at over 140km/h. The double wishbone suspension was excellent in its time but now in the new Civic, thats been changed to a 5 point suspension system that is state of the art.
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You better back that brakes statement - your local discs overheat and boil the brake fluid - that was claimed by your service personnel at Honda drive in. after that i got used japanese replacements at the junkyard - installed em and the problem was gone.
I dont blame Honda in any of this - I accuse the local industries - why should we get a poorer quality than the rest any arguments????
Post pics of your inspire buddy. i really like that car. did you follow the introduction of the 2004 Honda Inspire? It just came out. Amazing technologies in the car. Too bad its a USDM honda Accord in disguise.
anyhow, yes i dont know much about the mechanics of a car. I’ve owned the Accords since they are reliable and mostly trouble free. its a good thing you mentioned you own a 3rd gen accord too. Going by your post, if my car has any probs, i am sure goning to contact you.
About the Civics, i haven’t owned any Civics so i didnt drive them extensively. But i still stand by my arguement. havent heard any single one of my acquintances complain abt the suspension.
B/w: i know all abt the ricers
Edit: and i am not one of them. My car is bone stock…and isnt it common knowledge that Type R sticker adds around 30hp and reduce cd to only.16? 
Links to the new Inspire:
http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=112451
http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=112340
http://car.nifty.com/as/column/car_1/article_0307037366_1.htm
http://www.honda.co.jp/INSPIRE/
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*Originally posted by Brute: *
I bet he has no shortage of girls running after him. :)
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*Originally posted by Gupta: *
Pakistan should start making Maruti's.
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Gupta Ji,
Maruti in India is made by Suzuki of Japan. Suzuki of Japan make cars under the name Paksuzuki (I think) in Pakistan.
The Maruti Cars are exported from India, about 25,000 (I could be wrong) per year, to Europe, Africa and South America.
Have a Nice Day
It would be awesome to introduce more matchboxes. The benefits are endless
-Less polution - CNG already is helping combat that problem.
-Less fuel consumption. Less weight, smaller engine, more fuel economy.
-More space on the roads.
Matchboxes are even more suitable for the masses in Pakistan since the average pakistani dont dream of having a 5.0L V8 under their foot. They have other more important things to fret over.
If I had it my way, any car above a 2.0L V4 (except commercial and emergency vehicles) would be banned in North America. Or atleast any car above that rating should be extremely expensive to buy. The luxurious needs of a small fraction of the world's population should never overcome the reality of the fast depleting natural resources of the world.
^ ** Cheegum for President **
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I bet he has no shortage of girls running after him.
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Girls can run that fast .... coz this car can accelerate - like really ACCELERATE
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*Originally posted by bdsurti: *
The Maruti Cars are exported from India, about 25,000 (I could be wrong) per year, to Europe, Africa and South America.
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Pakistan too could benefit from this. A nice car that gives value for money.
My statement on brakes was not just an opinion, it’s a fact- disks are better than drums. The problem you have described is related to poor quality parts not the braking system.
By the way has anyone seen the Honda Accord advert called the “Cog” ? It will be an award winning advert and it is all real- no computer trickery. Here is a link for it but there will be many more better quality ones- just search for Honda Cog.
Khattana
my statement goes with the auto industry in Pakistan - not the world over - and I also assert to the fact that discs are far far better than drums -
If you really want ultra retardation install brembo quad piston calipers on any Honda Civic - They REALLY BITE into the disc - you can enhance it even further - add some large vented rotors too
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Pakistan too could benefit from this. A nice car that gives value for money.
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yea we could if didnt have installed the SUZUKI plant before even maruti existed in India!
ooo I have..i have!