Aurangzeb Vs Marathas

[muqawwee123]

What were the grievances of Aurangzeb with Marathas that he spent his last 25 years fighting against them resulting in weakness of Mughal dynasty.

Was that an imposed option or Aurangzeb himself chose to go against Marathas?

What do you think would have been the course of history, if there were no Mughal-Maratha wars?

[KKF]

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ham aaj bhii mujre sun rahe hote aur moGhliyah darbaar shaa’irii kaa gaRh hotaa!

[muqawwee123]

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@Khalil KhaaN FaaKhta

ham aaj bhii mujre sun rahe hote aur moGhliyah darbaar shaa’irii kaa gaRh hotaa!

Mujra and poetry became more popular after Aurangzeb. No?

[the_kaur]

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@muqawwee123

Mujra and poetry became more popular after Aurangzeb. No?

Mostly in the time of last emperor, these were popular thing, and at that time, it is said, delhi had only night life in summers :). Ghantewala is the only sweet shop surviving from that time in delhi

[muqawwee123]

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@the_kaur

Mostly in the time of last emperor, these were popular thing, and at that time, it is said, delhi had only night life in summers :). Ghantewala is the only sweet shop surviving from that time in delhi

Ghantewala? strange name for a mithai shop.

[the_kaur]

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@muqawwee123

Ghantewala? strange name for a mithai shop.

Then delhi has place like Patpadganj and Kadkaddooma

[muqawwee123]

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@the_kaur

Then delhi has place like Patpadganj and Kadkaddooma

lols. What kind of places these are?

[the_kaur]

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@muqawwee123

lols. What kind of places these are?

Usual delhi, bustling with poople, Kadkaddooma has session court, Patpadganj is industrial area. then there is Pahadganj, with no pahad in its vicinity. I even know a locality called Khidki (Window) and Khidki extension

[muqawwee123]

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@the_kaur

Usual delhi, bustling with poople, Kadkaddooma has session court, Patpadganj is industrial area. then there is Pahadganj, with no pahad in its vicinity. I even know a locality called Khidki (Window) and Khidki extension

When it comes to strange name we are self sufficient in karachi. nagin Chorangi, Disco moR, Doodh patti, Anda moR, Kala Pul.. You name it.

BTW why was Aurangzeb against Marathas? kia uski Majj churai thi?

[the_kaur]

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@muqawwee123

When it comes to strange name we are self sufficient in karachi. nagin Chorangi, Disco moR, Doodh patti, Anda moR, Kala Pul.. You name it.

BTW why was Aurangzeb against Marathas? kia uski Majj churai thi?

Before Shivaji, Marathas were disorganized band of soldiers, who were employed in different princely states, Shivaji’s father, Shahji, was commander of Bangalore of Adil shah empire of Bijapur. Shivaji sought independence from Mughal rule, and Aurangzeb wanted to hold his empire, In my opinion, shivaji was great tactician and leader of people who inspired generation of Hindus and Aurangzeb was brilliant general though he inspires many orthodox muslim because of his Islam rather than his

[muqawwee123]

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@the_kaur

Before Shivaji, Marathas were disorganized band of soldiers, who were employed in different princely states, Shivaji’s father, Shahji, was commander of Bangalore of Adil shah empire of Bijapur. Shivaji sought independence from Mughal rule, and Aurangzeb wanted to hold his empire, In my opinion, shivaji was great tactician and leader of people who inspired generation of Hindus and Aurangzeb was brilliant general though he inspires many orthodox muslim because of his Islam rather than his

so its basically a freedom fight? Was Deccan part of Mughal empire before Aurangzeb?

[the_kaur]

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@muqawwee123

so its basically a freedom fight? Was Deccan part of Mughal empire before Aurangzeb?

Deccan is a very big peninsular region, It was not in complete control of India in 1947 even. It was mostly under control of Bijapur empire and later Nizam but never both of them ruled entire Deccan. Hyderabad, was intially under control of French before Brits took over. Aurangzeb was never able rule deccan. Poona was part of Bijapur empire and Shivaji fought against both Bijapur and Agra in his time, though under command of Peshwas, they decimated both Mughals and Bijapur empire

[muqawwee123]

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@the_kaur

Deccan is a very big peninsular region, It was not in complete control of India in 1947 even. It was mostly under control of Bijapur empire and later Nizam but never both of them ruled entire Deccan. Hyderabad, was intially under control of French before Brits took over. Aurangzeb was never able rule deccan. Poona was part of Bijapur empire and Shivaji fought against both Bijapur and Agra in his time, though under command of Peshwas, they decimated both Mughals and Bijapur empire

Were Peshwas able to rule area ever? People like Shah Wali ullah invited Afghans to save Muslims from Maratha’s atrocities, but we here about loot of Abdali, etc of North India and Delhi more. Were Afghans able to capture Deccan?

[the_kaur]

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@muqawwee123

Were Peshwas able to rule area ever? People like Shah Wali ullah invited Afghans to save Muslims from Maratha’s atrocities, but we here about loot of Abdali, etc of North India and Delhi more. Were Afghans able to capture Deccan?

Peshwas, were the Brahmin ministers initially, they ruled from Pune to Gujrat to Kanpur. Jhansi ki rani was Maratha, so was Nana Saheb of Kanpur. After third battle of Panipat, which ended in disaster for Marathas, Abdali had little forces left to deal with any other threat, so he concentrated delhi, just like any other pathan, he was interested in Loot, so he looted delhi and went back
This reminds me of Kashmiri’s image of Pathan. One old Kashmiri of muslim decent, once told me, that in 1947 Pathan often mistook brass for gold and broke some Kashmiri’s teeth because of their brass plating

[muqawwee123]

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@the_kaur

Peshwas, were the Brahmin ministers initially, they ruled from Pune to Gujrat to Kanpur. Jhansi ki rani was Maratha, so was Nana Saheb of Kanpur. After third battle of Panipat, which ended in disaster for Marathas, Abdali had little forces left to deal with any other threat, so he concentrated delhi, just like any other pathan, he was interested in Loot, so he looted delhi and went back
This reminds me of Kashmiri’s image of Pathan. One old Kashmiri of muslim decent, once told me, that in 1947 Pathan often mistook brass for gold and broke some Kashmiri’s teeth because of their brass plating

Isn’t it strange that after a history full of loots, they couldn’t distinguish gold and brass?

One connected question: How did Kashmiri recognised Pathan? for them ever non-Kashmiri was Punjabi

[the_kaur]

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@muqawwee123

Isn’t it strange that after a history full of loots, they couldn’t distinguish gold and brass?

One connected question: How did Kashmiri recognised Pathan? for them ever non-Kashmiri was Punjabi

Initially kashmiris thought that these were Kazaks, that was the rumour then, and kashmiri never knew what was the difference between Kazaks and Pathans anyway nor did Kashmiri muslims knew that they came to liberate them by looting them :D. And Pathans were very secular in looting, they looted everyone irrespective of religion. Since Pandits being majority of Zamindars in valley, they were the natural target. It is also said that Pakistan wasn’t able to capture entire Kashmir even though Pak army had initiative because Pathans were so involved in looting that they forgot their original mission

[muqawwee123]

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lols.. Even Ghaznavi was secular for Budhas of Bamiyaan

[the_kaur]

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@muqawwee123

lols.. Even Ghaznavi was secular for Budhas of Bamiyaan

Buddha was not gold plated like Hindu gods were, Hindu gods presented themselves with better option, Ghaznavi could make his loot look Islamic by breaking idols, but Hinduism proved far more difficult ideologically than Buddhism

[marwati]

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@the_kaur

Initially kashmiris thought that these were Kazaks, that was the rumour then, and kashmiri never knew what was the difference between Kazaks and Pathans anyway nor did Kashmiri muslims knew that they came to liberate them by looting them :D. And Pathans were very secular in looting, they looted everyone irrespective of religion. Since Pandits being majority of Zamindars in valley, they were the natural target. It is also said that Pakistan wasn’t able to capture entire Kashmir even though Pak army had initiative because Pathans were so involved in looting that they forgot their original mission

kashmiris didnt know about the looks of their neighbors and former rulers pashtun but they knew about distant nation like kazaks? lol.

[the_kaur]

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@marwati

kashmiris didnt know about the looks of their neighbors and former rulers pashtun but they knew about distant nation like kazaks? lol.

For Kashmiris, anything that is not kashmiri is Punjabi :D, ask a person of Pakistan born in 1951, how firangi look like, he won’t be able to tell :), same is the case with Pashtuns with reference to Kashmiri. There are two things which are specific to kashmir. If people are driving on the wrong side on the highway in herds, they are Kashmiris and if rumour can become effective information with immediate effect, it is in Kashmir.