Re: Attributes of Allah - The Belief Of True Salaf
nice try, but no cake for you… I said earlier that…
“i’ve seen Ibn Taymiyya misquoted too many times to fall for the games Ahmed G is playing”
… and this deceptive quote from Ahmed G just proves my point.
Ahmed G conveniently omits to reproduce the previous page (p.100) which shows that this whole discussion from Ibn Taymiyya is prefixed with the words “Qalu” (i.e. “they say”)… in other words, in this section Ibn Taymiyya isn’t expounding his own beliefs but rather the beliefs of the people of theological rhetoric (and this can be garnered even from the page reproduced above!)… only an ignoramus with a biased agenda would fail to see that… so Ibn Taymiyya is explaining that “they” (the people he is refuting) are the ones who are claiming that there’s nothing in the Qur’an and Sunnah stopping us from saying that Allah is a body!
Had Ahmed G actually shown the previous page of the very same work the lie would have been exposed - everyone would have seen that Ibn Taymiyya begins the section with the following words:
“The words body (jism), organs and expanse and such like of technical terms: it has already preceded from us on more than one occasion that the predecessors and imams did not speak about that… rather it is an innovation of the people of theological rhetoric.”
In other words, Ibn Taymiyya is out to prove the impermissibility of such terms because they are the invention of the very group he is refuting.
This quote matches the one I gave in Ahmed G’s other thread on ‘Abu Ayoub Al-Ansariy’ in which I wrote:
Ibn Taymiyya: “Certainly, terms like BODY, organs, expanse and such like are terms newly invented [about Allah]. We have related on numerous occasions that the pious predecessors and imams did not speak about such things, neither in negating them or affirming them. Instead, they adjudged that those who spoke about such things were innovators and at length they censured them.” (Minhaj al Sunna al Nabawiya 2/134+)
Ahmed G read this – realising it refutes his entire argument – and could do no better than accuse Ibn Taymiyya of lying.
Ahmed G misquotes Ibn Taymiyya - cropping the quote by omitting the very words that prove Ibn Taymiyya’s innocence of the false accusation – and he has the nerve to call Ibn Taymiyya a liar!!