attitude of West towards Pornography

I am asking you guys because a majority of you are residents in Europe/America and I have never stepped outside Pakistan. I do not want to form my opinion just on the basis of some TV shows and Movies. I want to know the observations of people who are living there.

I would like to know what is the attitude of people in the West towards pornography. Actually it amazes me to see the amount of porn that is out there over the internet. And I have never come across any news on papers or television from any western country where they have acknowledged this issue and tried to tackle it.

So I wonder if they consider it something bad/immoral/evil or not? How do you think their parents/brothers/husbands react if they find out there son/daughter/sister/wife is (or had been) into this business? Please share your thoughts.

Why would the West try to tackle an industry that is legal? Hugh Hefner has made a tidy profit from this industry. Are you talking about tackling the illegal side of the business whereby underage girls are being casted in these films?

As someone who has researched many subjects at uni I can tell you there are many more 'pressing' subjects families like to deal with more e.g. employment, keeping their family out of danger, giving their family the best in terms of education etc etc.

I have many friends who are not Asian, and for them porn is nothing but the top shelf is a newsagent/channels that don't really interest them.

I'm sure you are aware of what percentage of pornography hails from the West considering you've done some research to know how much is available online?

What a bizarre question though OP, sitting in Pakistan you can think of more pressing subjects that concern Pakistan rather than worrying about the Wests attitudes towards Porn?

As a side note, the Wests attitude may not be of that much interest to you as say Pakistanis in residing in Pakistans will be-afterall there is an underworld business in Pakistan that is illegal in terms of Pornography.

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Attitude is not much different other than the fact that its legal. If a person is caught watching, his wife will be mad.

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All I gotta tell you is... it's all about the benjamins baby! Money is the root of ALL evil!

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*Though it is legal, it's still very much taboo and considered immoral. *

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child pornography = horrible, evil, lands you in jail and gets you raped by your fellow inmates.

Atleast this attitude of the west is much better than the attitude back in Pakistan, where it's like "well, she's going to have sex one day anyways, so who cares"

Lie, no one thinks like that in Pakistan!

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So how do you explain the hundreds of cases of unreported sexual abuse towards young girls in Pakistan? To them, they aren't little girls. To them they are just tiny women.

what are you saying,,,,

who talked about child pornography.......and raped by inmates ...GEEEEEEZZZZZZ

and as usman said who thinks like that in Pakistan....are you living in Pakistan??? coz i am and i dont think like this at all neither anyone i know thinks like that...

unreported huh????
hundreds..??

you are talking from yourself, no reliable source.
of course there may be a case like this here and there, but it happens everywhere. so does murders, thefts, looting.
you cant accuse the whole country for the doing of few....

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The OP talked about pornography, and child pornography, however evil does exist out there. And yes, I have lived in Pakistan, and I have seen the Pakistani attitude myself. So don't try to act all holier than thou and pretend that this doesn't occur because it does.

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Close this thread plz, this is going no where good...

Do you want me to parade the girls in front of you and have them tell you their harrowing stories? Is that the only way you will take that blindfold off your eyes and see the truth yourself? Yes murders, thefts, roberries (sp?) take place everywhere. But that's not the topic on hand is it? We are talking about the attitude of pornography in west vs. east. And I am telling you the truth. That there is a huge difference in the attitude. And I can accuse a country because it's not 1 person in the entire country that has that attitude, it's the entire country who shares the same thought. How many people do you know that have been arrested for child pornography in Pakistan, and have been sent to jail? In contrast in the west, you **will **hear about cases where people have been arrested for just having pictures on their computers, let alone producing it, and they've been sent to maximum security prisons, where even the heinous of the criminals consider child pornographers the worst of the worst and they give them their due justice.

OP just talked about pornography which is a very legal business in europe and west and possibly where you live.....

there nothing about child pornography in the original post

Would it be possible for us to be adult about the subject and stick to the subject as I’m guessing the OP would like opinions on what he says going :offtopic: ain’t really helping.

OP, if you are around could you possibly explain if you want opinions on:

the actual attitudes towards the legal trade of pornography OR
the illegal side of things e.g. underage girls in films and so on?

Dear OldBoy,

This is a topic where there will probably be as many views as there are people replying!

IMHO, the west's reaction to pornography is one that is changing over time, as our tolerance levels rise. I'm not going to say what's right and wrong because everyone has their own personal boundaries, but a good example of how society finds one thing unacceptable in one decade and acceptable in the next is the banning of books such as DH Lawrence's "Lady Chatterley's Lover" - written in 1928 and only published in 1960 ("The book soon became notorious for its story of the physical relationship between a working-class man and an aritocratic woman, its explicit descriptions of sex, and its use of (at the time) unprintable words" - Wiki). Films such as Last Tango in Paris were considered disgusting when they first came out but are seen as old fashioned now.

The more people are exposed to that kind of thing, the more it loses its thrill, which I think is good on the whole. It's when we take for granted gratuitous pornographic violence and force and exploitation especially of those who can't protect and stand up for themselves that the need to define and draw a boundary is important - but difficult. Also, don't forget that people who don't care about the effects they are having are producing these things for the money, sheer selfish greed. Their cynical motivation - making profit from pain - must be considered alongside evrything else.

As a westerner, I look at it this way - if you go on holiday to the south of France, for example, you will see many naked people on the beach. Ask various French women of all ages what they think of this and if they'd do it. Some will say yes, why not? It's my body and I've nothing to be ashamed of. Some will say no, it's disgusting and shameful. Others might but not if it's cold.... etc. Ask the men and they will say similar things but they just don't get aroused by naked women in this situation. It's a mindset.

In other words, some acceptance of nakedness and open sexuality is OK to a lot of westerners (where it's not a religious matter any more). They don't necessarily look at it but they don't find it exciting and can't see what all the fuss is about and feel that repressing these "innocent" forms of sexual thought is unhealthy and unnatural and leads to far worse problems. They say that covering women up tends to make men more obsessed with sex than if some bare flesh is the norm. I would say that many westerners tolerate harder porn up to a point, so long as it's kept private, but most do not tolerate (and are actively trying to get banned) practices which are harmful to vulnerable people who are exploited for profit.

B

I am only interested in knowing about the legal side of pornography. Maybe we can discuss its illegal aspects in some other thread later.

This is exactly what I want to understand. If its taboo, then how come so much porn is made, the likes of Hugh Hefner and Larry Flynt have thousands of employees/artists. I want to know that from which class of society majority of them belong to? Do all of them come from impoverished background or do any of them come from an average middle class family with the blessings of their family?

Not all the 'actors/actresses' who work within the porn industry are from impoverished backgrounds although granted a hardlife did motivate some like Jenna Jameson who was quite famous and as far as I know has successfully moved on from actually making porn films.

Hugh Hefner himself is actually an educated man-and came from a fairly decent background demonstating sometimes the allure of success/glamour/women is something within someone rather than because of a hard knock life.

I'm not sure what you mean by class? We have working class, middle class and upper class-and most people in the UK at least would fit under working class? As stated, Hugh came from a alright family, and as far as I'm aware he started out with a loan from his mum-and for me that can be translated to her giving her blessings.

It's only taboo for some. For example let's take De Wallen Amsterdam which is of course in Europe as is England. There legal structure of 'sex establishments' makes their venues less taboo more of a business for a lot of people living around Amsterdam. If the same thing happened in say Birmingham, it would be a bigger taboo because anything new or unusual causes a stir at first. After a long time I'd expect attitudes to change as they have done in other parts of Europe where nudist beaches are common place and noone blushes at the thought. Time changes things, as another poster has mentioned.

Attitudes are different in different places-what is taboo for one may not be for the next person or country.

Thankyou for your thorough response Seetee!

Lets just say that we met a few women in our hypothetical beach who said they did porn and did not find anything wrong about it. What do you think their acceptance level would be in the french society? And will their family be cool with it too?

I agree with you completely on how attitudes over sexuality have changed dramatically in the past few decades and people have become more tolerant towards it. However, when it comes to pornography, I am unable to draw the line between its legal and illegal side of things. Exploitation is going to happen in one form or another. I am unable to understand on what grounds/arguments they were able to legalize it.