Not sure if you are a Pakistani-American or the NY in your nick is just for fun.
However your post reflects a general attitude among American-Pakistanis. These danishwars themselves beg and plead for American visa, green card, or citizenship.
But heaven’s forbid if Pakistani government would cooperate with the USA.
Nothing personal SID_NY, but in general, the behavior of this Pakistani-American group is called doghla-pun at least.
However your post reflects a general attitude among American-Pakistanis.
Please provide your survey results for this.
Not sure if you are a Pakistani-American or the NY in your nick is just for fun.
However your post reflects a general attitude among American-Pakistanis. These danishwars themselves beg and plead for American visa, green card, or citizenship.
But heaven's forbid if Pakistani government would cooperate with the USA.
Nothing personal SID_NY, but in general, the behavior of this Pakistani-American group is called doghla-pun at least.
As again, you are bringing something of which either you yourself have no clue about, or if yes, its only you that are getting it. Atleast I'm so unsure what DOGHLA-PAN did you see here!! Yes, I know most of the pakistanis are judgemental like you are finger pointing here towards me first pulling up my nick and then trying to divert the thread towards the begging and pleading for Visa etc.
Well, without going into the debate to who begs for what, I invite you to visit USA. I'll myself recieve you at JFK, NY. And show you how Pakistani-Americans live here with all due rights, ego and prestige. I'll also make you meet my fellow Pakistani-Americans whom you can ask yourself if they have begged for anything or no.
Now I suggest you to open another thread to discuss who has really begged for what with the condition of being true to yourself and the forum.
I wont take anything personal, so next time if you want to be more judgemental about me, be my guest!
Chao!
^^ OK so live in NY, and
Hopefully you take what America has to offer to you. Correct?
If the answer is yes.
Then Let Pakistan take what America has to offer.
On the other hand, if you do not want to take what America has to offer to you, then why are you still there?
Re: Attitude towards American amongst Pakistani-Americans [split: Russia forces...]
thread split. please be careful not to comment on specific poster's personal backgrounds in future burqaposh. if you need to ask why someone is somewhere, please extract that information via private messaging.
thread split. please be careful not to comment on specific poster's personal backgrounds in future burqaposh. if you need to ask why someone is somewhere, please extract that information via private messaging.
OK. Here are comments / suggestions.
The subject line should say -
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Attitude of Pakistani-Americans towards strategic relationship between Pakistan and USA.
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Secondly-
No interest in SID's address. If you look at my post, it was worded so as to avoid the perception of "personal attack". I hope everyone understands.
Re: Attitude towards American amongst Pakistani-Americans [split: Russia forces...]
your proposed title is too long, give me a shorter one.
and bq i understand that you phrased your words carefully, and i appreciate that. nevertheless anytime someone's personal background (including geographic location) is questioned in context of a discussion, that is by definition ad hominem, regardless of how its done. you are welcome to discuss your proposed topic though.
your proposed title is too long, give me a shorter one.
APATSRBPUSA ;-)
^^ OK so live in NY, and
Hopefully you take what America has to offer to you. Correct?
If the answer is yes. Then Let Pakistan take what America has to offer.
On the other hand, if you do not want to take what America has to offer to you, then why are you still there?
So your "judgements" continue....
YES. being American citizen, I've been given all rights and privileges. Neither I have to beg for anything, nor can anyone grant me anything in charity.
I pay full taxes to US govt and in return US govt gives me and my family all what they promise every now and then. Thats how it goes for me or any other immigrant who has come from any country, not only Pakistan.
Now lets talk about Pakistan-America thingy. America gives "AID" to Pakistan, thats why every now and then Pakistani authorities ask for more AID and help and cherish when they are rewarded with anything. (Reference: Yesterday's statement from Pakistani govt.) Any idea of what will happen if US stops all aid today?
And my point in the other (split) thread was, to be self-reliant, just like some of the other countries, instead of looking towards US, waiting for what they give us so that economy may run. And we've already debated several times on GS that Pakistan can prosper on its own with some good planning and execution and can be a succesful country. This is my dream too cuz my heart still throbs for Pakistan no matter wherever I live.
You should go over the Indian foriegn minister's statement (four days back) that US should stop Military aid to Pakistan becuz in case it stops aid today, Pakistani military will die tomorrow.
Can anything be more sarcastic than that? Yes, its bitter but its true.
So, Mr. Burqa, now that I've explained everything to you , in hope that you'll understand my point and not beat the things up just for the sake of arguments.
Anything more that I can do for you?
Re: Attitude towards American amongst Pakistani-Americans [split: Russia forces...]
Very good topic Posh (hope you dont mind the short form). This attitude towards US is not just pervalent among the Pakistanis but also among majority of Indians. I had a friend of mine who immigrated to US and began bashing the US culture. Once I asked him what he was doing there. He told me that he was staying in US since he could let the Americans understand the Indian culture by understanding his lifestyle. What BS. I could not help myself but to laugh at this comment. Here was a person who forsake his motherland for the good life and now claiming the moral high ground.
People claim that they pay taxes and are entitled to the lifestyle that the country has to offer. You can pay your taxes in your home country and live the better life if you are so fed up with the culture and the lifestyle of the Americans.
Just information :
I am an Indian currently living in my own motherland...
your proposed title is too long, give me a shorter one.
and bq i understand that you phrased your words carefully, and i appreciate that. nevertheless anytime someone's personal background (including geographic location) is questioned in context of a discussion, that is by definition ad hominem, regardless of how its done. you are welcome to discuss your proposed topic though.
Here is another choice. Let's see if it works
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Attitude of Pak-Americans & strategic partnership between Pakistan-USA.
Very good topic Posh (hope you dont mind the short form). This attitude towards US is not just pervalent among the Pakistanis but also among majority of Indians. I had a friend of mine who immigrated to US and began bashing the US culture. Once I asked him what he was doing there. He told me that he was staying in US since he could let the Americans understand the Indian culture by understanding his lifestyle. What BS. I could not help myself but to laugh at this comment. Here was a person who forsake his motherland for the good life and now claiming the moral high ground.
People claim that they pay taxes and are entitled to the lifestyle that the country has to offer. You can pay your taxes in your home country and live the better life if you are so fed up with the culture and the lifestyle of the Americans.
Just information :
I am an Indian currently living in my own motherland...
Oh, so you wana say, all the indians who live outside indians are doing BS just because they are out of India and not paying taxes to thier own country...
WOW...dude I'm really impressed with your wisdom and shrewdness...
MEETHA MEETHA HAP HAP KARWA KARWA THOO THOO :)
Finally I met someone on GS whose ideas resemble Burqa so much!
Btw, just FYI, according to SBP report , the major increase in Pakistan's foriegn exchange was due the direct remittance of Pakistani's living abroad..
how is that Mr. judgemental ?
Oh btw, Burqa, I'vent heard back from you, why and how is that DOGHLA-PAN?
Yes, thats the point from where you started twisting the thread for US base to the attitude of Pakistani-Americans and since you directly charged me with that, I do need an explaination!
..... Any idea of what will happen if US stops all aid today?
And my point in the other (split) thread was, to be self-reliant, just like some of the other countries, instead of looking towards US, waiting for what they give us so that economy may run. ...
Your views are pretty innocent bro.
America sets up bilateral partnerships based on two things (could be more).
In this EXCHANGE money transfer takes place.
Here is an example closer to home. If you run a gas station, then you establish a BILATERAL partnership with your customers.
In this EXCHANGE money transfer takes place.
However if a customer is looking for TV, they will go to an electronic store. GOT it?
For example Indian leaders after 9/11 jumped up and down like little kids to offer their bases to USA.
But the USA did not need Indian bases, and that's why the EXCHANGE did not take place.
However India did offer men to build infrastructure in Afghanistan so there is an EXCHANGE taking place as we speak.
If Pakistan offers the USA better trained but cheaper factory workers compared to China, then USA will prefer Pakistan for the Walmart contracts. Obviously that is not the reality.
If Pakistan offers the USA better trained and much cheaper call center employees compared to Indians, the USA will prefer Pakistan for the IT contracts. Obviously that is not the reality.
If Pakistan offers better designed cars compared to Japan and Germany, then Americans will prefer Pakistani made cars. Obviously that is not the reality.
So quit living in an innocent world and try to face the reality of Pak-American strategic partnership. AND do not compare it USA partnerships with other countries "without proper analysis".
Re: Attitude towards American amongst Pakistani-Americans [split: Russia forces...]
I am amazed to the silliness of this thread and content.
Dude, You make statements repeatedly with no backup whatsoever.
How many Pakistani Americans do you actually know?
If you ever come to America then meet with Pakistani Americans. Until then stop spreading BS, BP!.
Re: Attitude towards American amongst Pakistani-Americans [split: Russia forces...]
Have you seen Atta-ul-Qasmi with Golden Girls this Tuesday.He is among the finest critic and satirical Urdu literary Figure today in Pakistan .Masterpiece dramas like Khwaja and Sons and Shub Degh's writer.US government ws giving him $ 3000/month 20 years ago when he went for a short time while he was assistant editor of Nawa-i-Waqt getting Rs. 323 only but he returned back despite his close friends called him foolish or mad to lose this offer.He was saying I used to go to newspaper office on bus ,live in rented hosue but never feel ashamed over my decision.
Abbas Athar , Editor of Daily Express and Pakistan famous journalist own son lives in NY while he himself remained in NY for 5 years in Zia brutal period.He was and still lover of Bhutto.Recent trip of Gilani to US ,he was told that PM specially want you to go with him but he refused that they put off shoes after 9/11 on airports .In 8 years he never visited even his son living in NY.
These are danishwar and brain of Pakistan society.To whom you are reffering, i dont know .
Have you seen Atta-ul-Qasmi with Golden Girls this Tuesday........ Abbas Athar , ....... .
DB. You got a point. I know Qasmi but I don't know much about Athar.
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However this thread is about the so-called danishwars living in the USA.
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This particular group is the one who live, breed, sponsor more family members for green cards, etc., etc.
And yet these danishwars are totally opposed to the strategic partnerships between Pakistan and USA.
Get it?
I am amazed to the silliness of this thread and content. Dude, You make statements repeatedly with no backup whatsoever.
How many Pakistani Americans do you actually know?
If you ever come to America then meet with Pakistani Americans. Until then stop spreading BS, BP!.
Yes, You are totally right. Now I myself dont feel like making any contribution to it due to the same factor. Especially the counter-points of Burqa are so silly that I even dont care to answer them. Not sure where the hell he brings it from!
And yet he hasnt explained where was the DOGHLAPAN for which the thread was split!
Re: Attitude of Pak-Americans & strategic partnership between Pakistan-USA
yet another thread from burqaposhx demanding that pakistanis should get down on all fours for their western masters; and never ever have any independent thoughts for fear of going against whats best for the west.
Pak-Americans who oppose strategic partnership between Pakistan and USA are clearly exhibiting doghlapun or hypocrisy if not being downright unpatriotic to their adopted motherland.
Here is why.
When these Pak Americans struggle for many many years and finally get the citizenship, they pledge their allegiance to the USA and renouce their affliation to Arab lands or Asian lands or la la lands. Then if they oppose other countries from helping and partnering with the USA, they are going against their oath.
We in Pakistan may not know, but any Pakistani who becomes US citizen takes the following **oath with God as witness. **
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I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God.**
under this oath, every Pakistani and even every Muslim who got ‘naturalized’ may be called upon to serve in the US military. That may happen soon because democrats have hinted on the draft.
Thus the scenario is.
Some GS poster [or poster’s kid] gets drafted and sent to Afghanistan or may be FATA.
Option A — Will that poster renounce the oath and join Talibans? Or perhaps do the cowardly deed like that Middle Eastern guy who killed his comrades in Kuwait?
Or
Option B — the same GS poster [or poster’s kid] will fight for the United States, and hence would like that Pakistan helps US army with the full capacity possible?
Ahem Bhurqawala..peace bro!..Pakistani’s Like Israeli’s have dual Citizenship status with USA Now!
and with Obama in Power…the red necks are no longer in the White House…
Obama extends an Open hand of Friendship to all Nations…
USA was built by Immigrants and always welcomes Immigrants…no one is grovelling to come to the USA like you seem to be implying…this is the land of opportunity on God’s Green Earth…
there seems to be a need for attitude adjustment here…please drop your negative stance towards Pakistani Immigrants or any other nationality Immigrants to the good ole USA…:gizzy: