Atleast an honest man.

At least an honest man. He says exactly what is on his mind. I think PAS is outright in lead in four states in Malaysia. I have to check on that. PAS is getting stronger and is likely going to be in power after Mahathir.


http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/200208250016987.php

No policy-making role for non-Muslims in Islamic state: Hadi
Susan Loone
5:16pm Sun Aug 25th, 2002

The role of non-Muslims in the government will only be confined to those not related to policy making in an Islamic state, Terengganu Menteri Besar Abdul Hadi Awang said in Penang today.

He said this was due to the fact that ministers involved in policy making must adopt the ideology of the ruling government.

“Just like in the United States, when the Republican wins, the US president is a Republican,” he told the 100-odd participants who attended a lunch date with the menteri besar in Hotel Grand Continental.

“Likewise, in an Islamic state, the leaders must be those who are Muslims. This is common throughout the world,” he added.

Abdul Hadi, known as a firebrand, is acting PAS president since the death of former president, Fadzil Noor, who is noted as a more moderate leader.

The Marang state assembly representative is currently making his rounds, meeting people, especially Chinese opposition leaders and non-governmental organisations, to explain his hardline policies.

I have many Malaysian friends and so their politics come up in discussion quiet often. And trust me, PAS is not going very far. Chinese Malaysians own the majority of economics & they are already bitter about the Malay quota system; any other exclusions based on religion & Malaysia will be a hot bed for civil war.

You may very well be correct. However, Malays make up about 55% of the population, but muslims are about 68% of the population. So a lot depends upon how the situation develops. I know some chinese malaysian students and they are not sure that shariya will not become the official law of the land. They were telling me that they think the demographic are such that they expect it to happen within the next 10 years.
And here is a letter from a chinese in malaysia that pretty much is looking at PAS as the main opposition and probably the Govt. after Mahathir.
http://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/200208260033098.php


http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/200208260016997.php
Keadilan backs PAS’ right to impose hudud:
Wan Azizah

Susan Loone
4:19pm Mon Aug 26th, 2002

Keadilan president Dr Wan Azizah Wan Ismail today clarified that the party respects the right of Terengganu and Kelantan to enact the controversial hudud law as the two governments were “democratically elected”.

Wan Azizah also said that the party upholds Islam as the country’s official religion as stated in the Federal Constitution, and respects the right of non-Muslims to practise their own faith.

Keadilan believes that no Muslim can reject syariah laws, of which hudud is a part, as it is in line with the religious obligations of Muslims, she added.

“You can’t ask Muslims to reject praying five times a day or paying zakat (tithe). That’s all part of the syariah,” she told malaysiakini.

However, the party acknowledges that all laws in the country must be in line with the Federal Constitution and 1957 social contract, which assures all the major ethnic groups in this country are allowed freedom to profess their own faith, Wan Azizah stressed.

She was responding to a malaysiakini report yesterday that Keadilan, after much debate within the party, has taken a stand against hudud.

Waz Azizah said that the report had misrepresented the party’s stand.

Your stats. are a bit off.

Muslims are the Malays & according to the Malaysian law, you can’t be a Malay and Non-Muslim at the same time. Anyway, according to the stats from this website (Population of Muslims around the world) Muslims in Malaysia are around 52 % but I think they are bit off. The actual strength of Muslims is around 55-58% Due to higher birth rates the %age might go up a little in the come decade but not too much.

Would Sunni Sharia become the official federal law, I donno. Malaysian politics is very volatile right now as their long time political leader is leaving for the first time. So, in a year or two you can better asses which way the wind will blow.

As long as the economics stay strong, people have jobs, foreign investment is on the rise, I don’t think it will happen. Such changes come into play when the current system, whichever that maybe, collapses and people are looking for new ventures.

You are probably correct because the figures I was giving were given to me in a conversation by the malaysian chinese. The %'s they were citing included the muslims of Indian and Pakistani origin, and there are also quite a few chinese muslims according to them. The “Bhoomi Putra” are the malays and they are about 55%. The current quota only applies to them and not the other muslims. But if you take just the muslims then Malaysian muslim population is over 65% atleast according to these guys. Again I don’t have any official figures to cite.


Here is somedata from the Gov. of malaysia’s site from their 2000 census data. Bottom line: Of “Malaysians” 65% are Bumiputera who as you said have to be muslims.

http://www.statistics.gov.my/English/pageNSPD.htm

  1. Ethnic composition

Of the total population of Malaysia in Census 2000, about 21,890 thousand or 94.1% were Malaysian citizens. Of the total Malaysian citizens, Bumiputera comprised 65.1%, Chinese 26.0% and Indians 7.7%, the ethnic composition being 60.6%, 28.1% and 7.9% respectively in 1991. Non-Malaysian citizens totalled 1,385 thousand (or 5.9%) in Census 2000 as against 805 thousand (or 4.4%) in 1991. In Sarawak, the predominant ethnic group in Census 2000 was the Ibans which accounted for 30.1% of the state’s total Malaysian citizens followed by the Chinese (26.7%) and Malays (23.0%). Similar data for Sabah showed the predominant ethnic group being the Kadazan Dusun (18.4%) followed by Bajau (17.3%) and Malays (15.3%).
12. Religion

It was observed that religion is highly correlated with ethnicity. Islam was the most widely professed religion in Malaysia; its proportion increasing from 58.6% in 1991 to 60.4% in 2000. Malaysia, being a multi-religious nation, also had a fair share of those embracing other religions such as Buddhism (19.2%), Christianity (9.1%), Hinduism (6.3%) and Confucianism/Taoism/other traditional Chinese religion (2.6%) as revealed in Census 2000.

Malaysian are moderated people (and thank god for that) --> Look at what they have achieved

Not everyone buys the hardliner stance.

The so-called Islamic Party has an Islam banner to cover their political agenda. Much like parties in pak.

Here is an article from Time Asia. I think it is a story in the making.
The picture that goes with the article has an obviously topless non-muslim lady sunbathing in the front on the beach while in the back ground are a couple of Muslim Malaya women covered from head to toe. It is a great picture since it captures the whole issue of “the dialogue of Civilisations” in one snapshot.


http://www.time.com/time/asia/magazine/article/0,13673,501020902-344142,00.html

September 2, 2002 / VOL. 160 NO. 6
Asia
A Code of Their Own
A Malaysian state wants to enforce Taliban-style punishments, defying the nation’s secular leaders
BY ANTHONY SPAETH

Life is slow in the northeastern state of Terengganu and that is exactly what visitors like about it. The long stretches of unspoiled beach along its 255-kilometer coast, the coral reefs and even the odd sea turtle attract more than 1.4 million tourists each year, including 150,000 foreigners.

From now on, they had better be on their best behavior. In July, the state assembly passed a comprehensive set of new Islamic laws and called for punishments familiar from the Taliban’s days in Afghanistan: whipping for a range of relatively minor offenses such as consumption of alcohol; stoning to death for adulterers; hand amputation for theft. It’s all part of a drive by the conservative Islamic Party of Malaysia (PAS), which governs Terengganu and is the country’s main opposition party, to create what it calls a “pious, religious, disciplined, dignified, noble and trustworthy society.”

But that has put Terengganu on a collision course with Malaysia’s central government. Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad has no intention of letting parts of his moderate, secularly governed nation go the way of Afghanistan. Until recently, it seemed a showdown would not be necessary. Nine years ago, PAS tried to enact similar laws in Kelantan, a neighboring state that it also governs, yet these were never implemented owing to the threat of legal challenges from Kuala Lumpur. But the party’s hard-line leader, cleric Hadi Awang, personally runs Terengganu as Chief Minister and he is a determined adversary. In the past weeks, Hadi has made it clear that he intends to put the so-called hudud laws into full effect as soon as possible.

The central government has hit back. Deputy Prime Minister Abdullah Ahmad Badawi, who also serves as Malaysia’s Home Minister, has vowed that the police force—which is controlled by the central government—will not enforce the hudud laws. And he declared that the country’s federally run prisons won’t house anyone convicted of breaking such laws. Publicly, Mahathir has been equally uncompromising. On a recent visit to Terengganu, he thundered that people who attempt to enforce such laws “have deviated from Islam and should be condemned to hell.” The trouble is, the issue puts him in a tricky political bind. Mahathir and his party cannot afford to appear anti-Islamic or they could alienate Muslim Malay voters, who constitute around 60% of the country’s population. On the other hand, non-Malays expect him to keep the country secular—especially the Chinese community, which accounts for about 20% of the population.

So Mahathir has to tread lightly. One key issue is whether the hudud laws violate the country’s constitution. Kuala Lumpur insists that the Terengganu state assembly does not have the right to enact laws covering criminal offenses, which can only be passed by the country’s national assembly. The central government’s Law Minister recently promised that Terengganu’s hudud laws would soon be challenged in court, though legal analysts say they expect the government to allow the suit to come from a private individual or group, not from the Attorney General. Says P. Ramasamy, a professor of political science at the Universiti Putra Malaysia: “The government is happy to let somebody else put the suit in the courts and then wait for a ruling.”

Hadi, however, makes it clear that he intends to enforce the hudud laws whatever the consequences. The state, he claims, has already trained 140 of its own enforcement officers to crack down on un-Islamic activities. He is currently identifying sites where state prisons can be built. Hadi has never elaborated on where and how the amputations and stonings will be carried out or who will perform them. Clad in a traditional white turban and a green duster draped from neck to ankles, he insists that both the state’s Muslims and non-Muslims (about five percent of the population) will welcome the new system. “The important issue is the wisdom of the law,” he says with a cold smile. “Islamic laws will prove to be wiser and will make people repent and not repeat their criminal acts.” If you are planning a trip to Terengganu, you might want to bring your piety with you—and leave the bikini at home.

OldLahori
The so-called Islamic Party has 2 state and they are planning to set up the so-called Islamic punishment system: Hudud law. ...But don’t forget that jurisdiction is under the control of federal Government (according to the constitution of Malaysia).

They will only succeed in bitching about how they could not set up their Islamic Punishment system and how the so-called 'Kafir' Government are the enemy of Islam and Allah.

Propaganda for next election

Seen this too often.

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OldLahori
The so-called Islamic Party has 2 state and they are planning to set up the so-called Islamic punishment system: Hudud law. ...But don’t forget that jurisdiction is under the control of federal Government (according to the constitution of Malaysia).

They will only succeed in bitching about how they could not set up their Islamic Punishment system and how the so-called 'Kafir' Government are the enemy of Islam and Allah.

Propaganda for next election

Seen this too often.
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Thank you. I am just starting to learn about Malaysia.