Ataturk a Jew?!

Not too long ago I received a shocking and intriguing email from History Yahoogroups, saying that Ataturk once confessed being Jewish and that he was even a descendant of a false Jewish prophet. I’ve never heard about that before! Here is a part of the email:

**To this date, there is extreme confusion among Muslims and non-Muslims alike regarding who was Mustafa Kemal, the dictator of Turkey. Recently, new evidence has surfaced that Mustafa Kemal, the ruthless dictator of Turkey, was not only a non-muslim, but a secret Jewish descendant of the Jewish Sabbati Zevi! The evidence comes not from tracing his genaology, but from the statements he himself made. **

(. . . )

I would never have asked had I not recently come across a remarkable chapter while browsing in the out-of-print Hebrew autobiography of Itamar Ben-Avi, son of Eliezer Ben-Yehuda, the leading promoter of the revival of spoken Hebrew in late 19th-century Palestine. Ben-Avi, the first child to be raised in Hebrew since ancient times and later a Hebrew journalist and newspaper publisher, writes in this book of walking into the Kamenitz Hotel in Jerusalem one autumn night in 1911 and being asked by its proprietor:
" ‘Do you see that Turkish officer sitting there in the corner, the one with the bottle of arrack?’ "
" ‘Yes.’ "
" ‘He’s one of the most important officers in the Turkish army.’ "
" ‘What’s his name?’ "
" ‘Mustafa Kemal.’ "
" ‘I’d like to meet him,’ I said, because the minute I looked at him I was startled by his piercing green eyes."

Ben-Avi describes two meetings with Mustafa Kemal, who had not yet taken the name of Ataturk, ‘Father of the Turks.’ Both were conducted in French, were largely devoted to Ottoman politics, and were doused with large amounts of arrack. In the first of these, Kemal confided:

“I’m a descendant of Sabbetai Zevi - not indeed a Jew any more, but an ardent admirer of this prophet of yours. My opinion is that every Jew in this country would do well to join his camp.”

During their second meeting, held 10 days later in the same hotel, Mustafa Kemal said at one point:

" ‘I have at home a Hebrew Bible printed in Venice. It’s rather old, and I remember my father bringing me to a Karaite teacher who taught me to read it. I can still remember a few words of it, such as --’ "

And Ben-Avi continues:
"He paused for a moment, his eyes searching for something in space. Then he recalled:
" ‘Shema Yisra’el, Adonai Elohenu, Adonai Ehad!’
" ‘That’s our most important prayer, Captain.’
" ‘And my secret prayer too, cher monsieur,’ he replied, refilling our glasses."

Although Itamar Ben-Avi could not have known it, Ataturk no doubt meant “secret prayer” quite literally. Among the esoteric prayers of the Doenme, first made known to the scholarly world when a book of them reached the National Library in Jerusalem in 1935, is one containing the confession of faith:

“Sabbetai Zevi and none other is the true Messiah. Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.”

It was undoubtedly from this credo, rather than from the Bible, that Ataturk remembered the words of the Shema, which to the best of my knowledge he confessed knowing but once in his adult life: to a young Hebrew journalist whom he engaged in two tipsily animated conversations in Jerusalem nearly a decade before he took control of the Turkish army after its disastrous defeat in World War I, beat back the invading Greeks and founded a secular Turkish republic in which Islam was banished - once and for all, so he thought - to the mosques.

Ataturk would have had good reasons for concealing his Doenme origins. Not only were the Doenmes (who married only among themselves and numbered close to 15,000, largely concentrated in Salonika, on the eve of World War I) looked down on as heretics by both Muslims and Jews, they had a reputation for sexual profligacy that could hardly have been flattering to their offspring.

The email quotes a few websites, it goes on to say that the Doenme had ties with Freemasons and that the revolt of the Young Turks began in Salonika where Ataturk was originally from. The email also says that Atatürk didn’t really defeat the Brits, but made a deal with them. They worked together to get rid of the khilafat. It says that Atatürk was a Jewish Freemason and when the Muslim Turks realised what really happened, it was too late.

I’ve never heard about this before, it certainly is a different interpretation of history and I’m not sure what to think about this. All the Turks I’ve known in my entire life, most of them Muslims, honour Atatürk, just like we honour Muhammad Ali Jinnah, our Qaid. Reading this email was a shock. I once read that our Qaid also admired Atatürk. It would be sad if all this about Atatürks character could be true. If the character of Atatürk really would be as negative as that email says, then there wouldn’t be a greater difference between him and our Qaid.

What is the truth? Allah O Alim.

These links go more in detail about Ataturk, his background (Muslim mother whom he didn’t obey and Jewish father, being born in Greece, etc.) and his Jewish Freemason ties, the registers of the freemasonic lodges he had joined, etc., if it’s all really true:

This website has pages on everything about this version of the life of Atatürk:
http://www.atajew.com/

Kemal Ataturk the Father of Zionism:

There was also a link to ‘Satanic Voices’ by Pidcock, on one of the websites about this topic, because there is a chapter in ‘Satanic Voices’ about how the Khilafat was ended:
Satanic Voices : Ancient & Modern - Chronology (download links bottom of the page)

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:hmmm:

I cant believe that some people have the patience to concoct such conspiracies.

But i suppose it could be true… afterall even if it was the truth i doubt it changes things much… reality is nobody today can fix things that have been broken by idiots in the past.

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I joined History Islam Yahoogroups to learn more about what had happened in the past with Muslims, to understand those events better and learn something from that for our future. Never thought I'd get these strange perspectives on history, like Atatürk being a Freemasonic Jewish British spy (?!) or Napoleon being a Muslim (?!).

Allah O Alim.

That’s true. Perhaps if we could understand everything better and somehow learn the truth, perhaps we could all avoid making similar mistakes in the future.

I’m still shocked by what I’m reading. :frowning:

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^ dont believe everything you read or hear.... i tell you from experiences even ones eyes can tell lies... in the mist how can you differentiate between friend and foe... and if your ever unfortunate to be in such a dilema how can you pull the trigger if you just dont know.

The truth is as you say Allah ho Alim... but it's good to investigate the possiblities and what if's but do not dwell to long on them either.

If you for example have a car, your battery goes flat... so you just top it up right or replace it... But if your smart you will check the alternator as well and any auxillary circuits for a shorting.

Same with history... if an event or personality changes then it's good to ask why it happened or how it happened.... But at the same time go further, and look at it this way somethings happen thye just do... all you or i can do is look at them and decide where we stand.

In todays world these questions are relevant at a theoretical level... But Attaturk and Napoleoon are long buried.

We should foccus on remmebering things and ensuring they dont happen again if they were bad and continue to happen if they were good.

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Waisey mereey baath tho hosaaktha hain naye sumaje… tho phir merey dost yeh sunno.

This rare classic quwwali sums it all up.

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what is it with you and these threads :smack:

yesterday a thread was around that napolian was a muslim .. and now attaturk was jew .. ppl get your heads screwed on .. :smack:

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^ Well said FBI786 Brother…:cb:

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Turkish military has strong ties with Israel, the politicians do not. However, the military does try its level best to keep anyone from "desecularizing" Turkey in any way, even to the point of assassination. Its kind of like Pakistan - we got a great military, but horrible politicians; they have great politicans, but horrible military rulers. I wouldn't be surprised if Ataturk was non-Muslim - he placed the final nails in the coffin of the Caliphate. That also explains why Islamic traditions prophesize the recapture of Istanbul during the era of apocalypse.

Harun Yahya, the world renowned Turkish Islamic scholar wrote a book on "Freemasonry in Turkey", for which he was imprisoned by the authorities.

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Well 6 years from now if someone reads my signature on this forum (you need to be able to read Arabic and understand Hebrew to do that) and concludes that I am a Jew, then I guess people considering Ataturk to be one is a plausible outcome; albeit being flawed an understanding of the facts.

Oh and by the way... I too have a Hebrew bible (Tanakh) at home and I CAN ready it as well... comment added for good measure.

I don't think having books about different religions and ways of life necessarily means you really believe in all that, it can also mean that you are just interested in what other people believe and how they live.

For example, I'm a Muslima and yet I have a Bible at home, partly inspired by books of Deedat who said each Muslim should have a Bible at home and point out inconsistenties to people who keep ringing your doorbell to convert you to one form or another of Christianity. But another reason is because I'm interested to find out what exactly Christians believe and what the difference is between their religion and mine. I also read about some philosophers and I like to know more about other religions as well, including Judaïsm. In my case, it only strengthens my faith in Allah and I actually understand Islam better, because when you read those books, you want to know what Islam has to say about those topics and so you learn more about different Islamic topics which enhances your faith in Islam.

Our own Islamic scholars used to study the Bible in the past and philosophy amongst other religions. That didn't make them less Muslim.

In the case of Atatürk, that Hebrew bible wasn't mentioned as the sole reason which prompted the writer to conclude he was Jewish, there were more arguments to support that claim.

Personally, I have no idea what to believe about that. It's an interesting read, but conclusion? Only Allah really knows.

Ataturk was not Jewish. We know from his writings that he was born in a Muslim family, as the son of a minor Ottoman Bureaucrat born in what is now Greece. As a child, he briefly attended Islamic schools at his mother's insistence, and as a result, had a working knowledge of Arabic. He was a non-practicing Muslim for most of his life, but towards the end, it seems he probably rejected religion entirely. In any case, he was buried after Islamic funeral prayers (though the prayers were conducted in Turkish rather than Arabic).

For future reference, yahoo groups really are not a valid historical source.

Yes, the yahoogroup says his mother was a very devoted Muslima. It was his father who wanted a non-Muslim education for him according to the online sources. (I've never read any biography about him, except an e-book where he's briefly mentioned and these websites, so that's all I know)

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Ataturk wasn't a jew but he was a great leader. Only if Pakistan could get such a great leader like him.