If Emamies have started killing sunnis then they are no more shias. Because what makes shias different from sunnis is only that they cry on the bebasi of aale mohammed. If they have taken out this soft way of life,soft heart, from their believe then they are also sunnis. shias used to never ever even hurt some one with even their tongue; except what was the part of their believe to hate enemies of Fatima Zahra.
please kindly do not kill each other. you are the loosers either shias or sunnis, from outside no one knows who is who.
They say look muslims are killing each other, look muslims are weak sheep in this world, muslims are cowards, they attack from behind like thieves ,they are low graded human kind. They say muslims are terrorists. They are worst among the mankind.
AQAL KA NAKHOUN LOU MAET MAROU IEK DOUSRAY KU ,KHUD TOU JAHANNUM JAOU HE GA HUM SUB BAQEI MUSALMANOU KOU QUON ROUSWAEI DEY RA HE HOU.
Wrong, for adultery (or fornication) you need 4 witnesses (of the actual act) or a confession from the sinner. Its stones for the adulterer and 100 lashes for the fornicator. Nothing else, Islam is not about catching as many people as possible and punishing them, its also about changing our ways and repenting from our previous sins and seeking forgiveness.
Its true 'no one gets away with adultery', but in the hereafter.
Anyway back to the topic, how sad, how stupid and for how long.
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I didn’t want to put another out of topic post, but I was demanded to say something.
Yes he was a sharabi, but he definitely was not drunk when he declared qadianis as non-Muslim minority. I didn’t agree with him on lots of issues but on this issue I agreed whole heartedly. I have to admire his courage that at least he had guts to take such a bold step. You, Pakistaniabroad, and batman have no problem with a group of people that don’t believed that Prophit Mohammad was the last messenger of God, but it’s a big deal for you that they were declared non-Muslim minority. According to you it makes me an idiot just because I don’t want to accept a group of people as Muslim that don’t believe in the basic ideology of Islam. Mandhanee yaar kam az kam tum say to aisi expectation nahin thi.
Agent, you mistotallyunderstoodme. Here, let me say it in bold:
YOU CAN BELIEVE WHATEVER YOU LIKE, YOU CAN BELIEVE ACCORDING TO YOUR BELIEFS THAT AHMADIS ARE NON-MUSLIMS.
Is that OK?
Now tell me something. Why do you think that they can’t say to other fellow people (Ahmadis or not), can’t call their dead “Marhoom”, and can’t call their mosque “Masjid” and can’t build Masjids that look like Masjid. Now please tell me where does this all come from? Is that all coming out of Quran, your Constitution or your Ass? Does any of this makes any sense?
Do you really really believe that being Muslim (as you put it) is the only right thing to do? Phophet Mohammad is probably turning in his grave thinking why was his beautiful religion ever sent to fking Pakistanis.
Hey, when are the next Shias going to be killed and where? (I just had to add that to stay on the topic).
Let me first say that this is a surprise for me... Because the Shia's havent struck back in some time. But, now that they have, its unfortunate, and disappointing,but im not all that upset either.
The people who died, many happened to be part of the Sippah Sabbah, and those types are better off dead anyway. Unlike the terrorist attacks on the Shias, this ombing obviously target a specific group, and not just random civilians. My only concern is that this will spirale out of control. Hopefully everyone blood lust is satiated, but somehow I doubt that.
I didn’t want to put another out of topic post, but I was demanded to say something.
Yes he was a sharabi, but he definitely was not drunk when he declared qadianis as non-Muslim minority. I didn’t agree with him on lots of issues but on this issue I agreed whole heartedly. I have to admire his courage that at least he had guts to take such a bold step. You, Pakistaniabroad, and batman have no problem with a group of people that don’t believed that Prophit Mohammad was the last messenger of God, but it’s a big deal for you that they were declared non-Muslim minority. According to you it makes me an idiot just because I don’t want to accept a group of people as Muslim that don’t believe in the basic ideology of Islam. Mandhanee yaar kam az kam tum say to aisi expectation nahin thi.
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Honestly, I cant believe people like you. Do you know that the founder of this country was probably less Muslim then George Bush? I mean, there are reports thats the guy ate ham sandwiches for lunch and probably never prayed majority of his life. The man did not want a religious state, he wanted a secular Muslims majority state. You know this and I know this, but you like all you other religous fundo friends will probably say that Jinnah is no longer relevent, and that why your so sad.
So if Jinnah can be turned into Hazrat Mohhamad Ali Jinnah, then why are Ahmedis suddenly vilified?
Second, Bhutto needed to please his masters, to stay in power and keep everyone happy, he had to find a scapegoat... Who better then one of the smallest minorities in Pak. Its not bravery to single out a single group that cant even defend itself. If you think thats brave, why not pick a fight with a cripple, im sure it might impress the girls:). This is Politics buddy... Politicians would sell their own mothers for a little levrage. Bravery my foot. He would have been braver to have stood by them and support them at least because they had supported him in his rise to power.
LASTLY, have you realized that most of the countries in the world that have progressed, they tend to be secular countries that are all inclusive, meaning they dont discriminate on the basis of religion or anything else. So really think hard and ask yourself, is an Islamic republic that treats some citizens as first class and others as second or third really worth it, are you really fullfilling the duties of your faith by having a "Muslim" state? Even for the sake of Islam, is this really what Islam is all about? You can call people non Muslim, but then being so vindictive and intolerant as to punish people for having muslim names, or using Muslims salutations (assuming they are Muslims and not Jewish)
really what your Islam is all about? If it is then I dont blame the West for hating you people. No offense.
Mr Patriot wrote an Islamic republic that treats some citizens as first class and others as second or third really worth it,
Declaring someone as non-Muslim minority does not make them a 2nd class or 3rd class citizen. That’s your speculation; I didn’t say anything like this. They have are free to practice their faith.
Mr Patriot wrote he wanted a secular Muslims majority state. You know this and I know this
I didn't know this. You are telling me something new. Maulana Mawdudi argued that from the beginning of the struggle for Pakistan, Muslems had an understanding that the center of their aspirations, Pakistan, would be an Islamic state, in which Islamic law would be enforced and Islamic culture would be revived. Above all, Quaid-i-Azam himself assured the Muslims that the constitution of Pakistan would be based on the Quran.
Maududi, demanded that the Constitutional Assembly should unequivocally declare:
1. That the sovereignty of the state of Pakistan vests in God Almighty and that the government of Pakistan shall be only an agent to execute the Sovereign's Will.
2. That the Islamic Shariah shall form the inviolable basic code for all legislation in Pakistan.
3. That all existing or future legislation which may contravene, whether in letter or in spirit, the Islamic Shariah shall be null and void and be considered ultra vires of the constitution; and
4. That the powers of the government of Pakistan shall be derived from, circumscribed by and exercised within the limits of the Islamic Shariah alone.
I don't see word secular anywhere? Are you sure that Pakistan supposed to be secular nation? If we wanted to live in a secular nation then we would not have separated from India which is a secular nation.
Next time do some research before you start expressing your lame points.
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i am not too happy to hear about this recent attack..it gives these fanatics more reason to kill innocent shias
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But u didnt condemned the terrorist acts of shias who killed these muslims! Since u can nevwer perceiveany shia doing a terrosrist act and the only worry about theincidence is that in retaliation they will kill more shias.. sameis the case of terrorists who killed shais last week .. they never thought they were doing any thing wrong.. the fat is there are sunni and shias terorists though in minority but the fact ius we havethem in both camps who believe killing te other party is a great service.. the day u will acknowledge and condemn shias terrorists they will be weaken .. but if u keep on justifying their acts and have carefree attitude for those killers this vicious go on for ever.. ur assumption that all wahabis are evil is same as wahabis's perception of shias..
It depends on how do you interpret a law. Hudood ordinances equate zina with rape (zina bil jabr). The testimony of women is not considered for Hadd punishment. A rape victim can only get justice if the accused confesses to the crime or four adult muslim male witnesses provide their testimony.
Now what I do understand is that a rape victim cannot get justice unless four witnesses provide testimony. How many accused appear befor judge and confess their crimes?
pakpatriot, first of all you say that quaid was secular and he was not practicing muslim, and he wanted to implement secular laws
well i tell you that muhammad :saw: was a muslim, and a practicing momin, and he wanted to implement allah’s laws.
so there you go, what quiad said means nothing, it is what muhamamd :saw: said that matters…may people learn to put religion over the kufr nationalism.
secondly, you seem to suggest that to succede, we need to implement secular laws. thanks but no thanks, we would rather eat grass in this world while implementing allah’s laws and hoping to enter jannah rather than to have $500,000 per capita income while implementing secular laws and having nothing but fire in here after.
you can choose hell for your self but dont choose it for us.
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.... muhammad saw was a muslim, and a practicing momin, ...
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Haha! Cheeters, liars, suiciders have no shame. They would bring the Messenger's saw name if it serves their halwa-puri (pancake and bacon breakfast).
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...what quiad said means nothing, .......
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Yeap. MA Jinnah never meant anything to the supporters of Hazrat-e Gandhi. These two-bit Mullahs loved their Mahatama so much that they declared him their Ameerul Momineen.
The same shameless Mullahs jumped the wagon and showed up in Pakistan with their M*Too urges and made Pakistan an intolerant and reckless place.
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.....we would rather eat grass in this world while implementing allah's laws
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Only Khotay (Donkeys) eat grass and for your information no Khota has ever been able to implement Allah's laws. Obviously they are too busy eating grass.
Normal human beings on the other hand eat Allah's naimats (blessing), speak truth (remain Sadiq), become trustworthy (Ameen), and tolerant (raheem). They work for stability in this world and avoid anarchy (fasad). They perform good deeds (Aamaal Salih) and remain patient (saabir).
However these 2-bit fasadi (anarchist) M*Toos are killing Pakistani-Shias, harassing Pakistani-Christians, gunning down Pakistani-Christians, and bombing Pakistani-Sunnis.
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I want to know why none of these bombers are ever caught and brought to justice....
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Easy to criticize while sitting in the "burbs" of Youngstown, Ohio. These suicide-bombers are like crack-sellers of DC. You kill them, arrest them, and more will come out like those pesky poisonous weeds.
Check out the police budget of urban counties like that PG county in Maryland. Then tell me why the heck they can't control the crime.
The only defense against the suicide bombers is to attack the root-cause of Islamic-hate, the "Mullah-ism".
If you hate Jinnah so much, do us a favour and leave his country, or stop talking about it. It came into being because of his efforts, not some MAT00s whom you adore so much!
it is not his country or any one else’s country in the first place and i m not in it anyways. all land is allah’s and only allah’s laws deserve to be implemented.
and asnwer my question about muhammad :saw:, did he not implement islamic laws or did he follow the lead of quaid, and eat bacon and lived for secular laws?
have some sense please
to other fellow people (Ahmadis or not), can’t call their dead “Marhoom”, and can’t call their mosque “Masjid” and can’t build Masjids that look like Masjid. Now please tell me where does this all come from? Is that all coming out of Quran, your Constitution or your Ass? Does any of this makes any sense?
