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*Originally posted by Sheraz CT: *
agent smith and majority of the guppies on this forum are simple normal sunnis..who condemn violance against the innocent people of pakistan..this recent attack was not in some sunni mosque..azam tariq called shias kaafir and was behind many of the shia killings in pakistan..his followers are no saints either..there is a difference between a moderate sunni who minds his own business and who is peaceful person versus a fanatic who wants to kill innocent shias
agent smith..u said u were expecting this..u might not know but there were 2 bomb blasts on shia mosques earlier this year and there was no revenge activity by shias after that
i am not too happy to hear about this recent attack..it gives these fanatics more reason to kill innocent shias
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I agree, what Azam Tariq was doing was not right. To call a sect of Islam Kaafir is absolutely wrong. But the question still arises, who did it? If you don’t want to believe that there is a foreign hand in this than there is only one possibility that some shia militant group is involved in that killings. Do you really want to accept that? I know you don’t and I don’t either.
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.....It was **Zulfiqaar Ali Bhutto* not any Mullah who declared them as non-Muslims. You need to change your name from pakistaniabroad to Pakistani uninformed.
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Bunch of M*Too PiTAAs claim to be informed based on the Mullahtic websites and some other filth. Pak-constitution does not say that Pakistanis using the terms like "Assalamo Alaikum" should be jailed.
Assalamo Alaikum in itself is based on Hebrew salutation "Shalom Elaikhum".
Based on this ill-concieved rubbish interpretation of the Pak-constitution, every Arra-bobo and the PiTAAs saying Salam should be jailed in Pakistan.
Not just that they should be give a good "Chitrol" (spanking) for messing up Jewish salutation.
Additionally Every Pakistani-American supporter of Mullhatic regime should be given Chittar-parade for every invocation of the word Eesa instead of Jesus and so on.
Off course these commie leftie M*Too agents will never understand the concept of being a human. Petty animals!
agent smith sahab..it could be the shias..would that shock u really? so many of their people have been killed by azam tariq followers so it would not surprise me if they took revenge..shias are humans too and they do get angry and frustrated when their ppl just keep on getting killed and no one does anything to stop it
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*Originally posted by Decent 6Chora: *
....Report no where says "SURVIVORS" were chanting. It was a group of protesters gathered outside the hospital. ...
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OK the protestors came from Mars. They were not part of the SeS-goons. Happy now?
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*Originally posted by Decent 6Chora: *
May be Pakistan has all the problems because of ppl like you who declared him the "supporter of voilence" just because he did not agree with your post :)
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not because he disagrees with me.. but because he agrees with the Mullahs mentioned in that link..
and so is everyone else responsible for this violence who agrees that saying "Assalam-o-Alaikum" is a copyright of Muslims and others should be jailed for uttering such a blasphemous phrase.. or agrees that someone who doesn't believe in your religion the very exact way you do is a kaffir and it's your duty to kill him/her.
The hate for other human beings of different bleiefs clouds your judgement and common sense.. Step out of your sectarian moulds and think for a minute how ridiculous all this is instead of agreeing with draconion laws and upholding them.
Be a human being before you claim to be a follower of any religion. Exhibit and exercise common sense before you act on some supposedly religious edicts.
Bunch of M*Too PiTAAs claim to be informed based on the Mullahtic websites and some other filth. Pak-constitution does not say that Pakistanis using the terms like "Assalamo Alaikum" should be jailed.
Assalamo Alaikum in itself is based on Hebrew salutation "Shalom Elaikhum".
Based on this ill-concieved rubbish interpretation of the Pak-constitution, every Arra-bobo and the PiTAAs saying Salam should be jailed in Pakistan.
Not just that they should be give a good "Chitrol" (spanking) for messing up Jewish salutation.
Additionally Every Pakistani-American supporter of Mullhatic regime should be given Chittar-parade for every invocation of the word Eesa instead of Jesus and so on.
Off course these commie leftie M*Too agents will never understand the concept of being a human. Petty animals!
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Don’t even start with me Mr batman!
My argument was not about the Issue on Assalamalaikum, but calling qadiyaani a sect of Islam. I guess you are in such a hurry of posting your ignorant sarcastic comments that you don’t even read any post properly. I just told you the facts about the law of Pakistan regarding qadiyaanis. If you have problem with that law then don’t blame me for that. Go and talk to your pind (village} representative to talk to your MNA who can do some thing about it in national assembly to make some changes in this law.
And by the way I see you bashing Mullahs all the time. These are the same Mullah behind them you pray jumma parayers. If there were no Mullah your jumma prayer would not be accepted.
These are the same Mullahs that has to present in your wedding. If there were no Mullah your wedding won’t be considered as valid and your kids will be illegitimate. You won’t be bashing these Mullah when you need them, but you will be looking every where for some mullah to make you nikah valid.
These are the same Mullahs holding the janaza prayer, when someone dies in your family. Because phony muslims like you don’t even know what dua in Arabic you need to recite during namaze janaza. So you need those Mullah to give your relatives a proper burial.
if u don't utter some arabic exactly in a chant you will never be able to die properly... or if a person doesn't do the same at your wedding your children turn out illegitimate..
Thanks for that buddy.. i needed a good laugh.. and had to cry a little too..
No wonder my countrymen are dying in mosques... there is no shortage of idiots who can't see the bigger picture or understand what's wrong with it.
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*Originally posted by PakistaniAbroad: *
Agent Smith i see where u come from..
if u don't utter some arabic exactly in a chant you will never be able to die properly... or if a person doesn't do the same at your wedding your children turn out illegitimate..
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Yeah right. Please don’t say that there will be no qaazi present in your wedding. You are pretty damn sure he will be there. But you just don’t want to admit it in order to disagree with me.
You can die properly but you can’t be buried properly. Next time when you go out and look for those Mullah think twice about your hypocrisy.
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*Originally posted by Agent Smith: *Yeah right. Please don’t say that there will be no qaazi present in your wedding. You are pretty damn sure he will be there. But you just don’t want to admit it in order to disagree with me. You can die properly but you can’t be buried properly. Next time when you go out and look for those Mullah think twice about your hypocrisy.
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people can get married without a Mullah.. their marriage is just as legal... and stop making this thread about conventional Mullahs.. it's very much about the Mullahs paradings as humans agreeing with medieval laws and lifestyles.
Then we wonder why we meet failures every turn of the way.. why 'kuffar' kick our a$$ in nearly every dapartment there ever was... why we line up at their embassies wanting to just get into these "kaffirlands".. maybe. .just maybe there is a hint of humanity left in us that warns us we might be the next victims of jihaalat such as this and get the hell out while we can.
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*Originally posted by PakistaniAbroad: *
it's very much about the Mullahs paradings as humans agreeing with medieval laws and lifestyles.
we can.
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I am glad you edited your original post otherwise I was about to say something. But I will still say about your remarks of medieval law. So you think that Islamic laws are medieval? That means we need to change Islamic laws according to our likes, dislikes and according to modern era? That means we need to edit Quran and Ahadees? Hmmm, that clearly shows your position. I don’t need to say anything else. May Allah show you righteous path.
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*Originally posted by Sheraz CT: *
agent smith and majority of the guppies on this forum are simple normal sunnis..who condemn violance against the innocent people of pakistan..this recent attack was not in some sunni mosque..azam tariq called shias kaafir and was behind many of the shia killings in pakistan..his followers are no saints either..there is a difference between a moderate sunni who minds his own business and who is peaceful person versus a fanatic who wants to kill innocent shias
agent smith..u said u were expecting this..u might not know but there were 2 bomb blasts on shia mosques earlier this year and there was no revenge activity by shias after that
i am not too happy to hear about this recent attack..it gives these fanatics more reason to kill innocent shias
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I agree with your last line.
perhaps if every single person attending that place had shia blood on his hands this would have been justified. but thats not true.
regardless of the fact that the attendees were glorifying someone who was responsible for a lot of murdering, perhaps the majority of it, that does NOT jusify this criminal and tragic event. for even if each one of those attending and dying in this act had thought that killing shias was okay/sawab, they merely had the niyat to do so, not the culpability.
and even that assumption is not true. buhat saray ainwayin maray gaye hongay.
very tragic. for the innocents who died. and for the innocents who will die now in consequence..
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*Originally posted by antiobl: *
OK the protestors came from Mars. They were not part of the SeS-goons. Happy now?
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Well if anyone was chanting Shia Kaffir,does it justify that they should be killed?
This is the same argument that anti-shiite extremists present,that Shias call mother of beleivers Naudobillah Kafir and !st and 2nd Caliph the same.I have myself read these things from Shias.
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*Originally posted by Agent Smith: *
So you think that Islamic laws are medieval? That means we need to change Islamic laws according to our likes, dislikes and according to modern era?
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Why not? And some laws do need urgent attention. They should be immediately reformed, or better rescinded. Like, four witnesses to prove rape. An absurd law, innit?
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*Originally posted by shawaiz: *
Why not? And some laws do need urgent attention. They should be immediately reformed, or better rescinded. Like, four witnesses to prove rape. An absurd law, innit?
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Trying to take thing out of context eh? Why don’t you quote my whole post where I asked about altering Quran and ahadees?? How many Islamic Govts have guts to change Islamic law by altering Quran, Ahadees, Fiqha and Shariah? You can sit here and talk about changing rape laws, but it ain’t gonna happen. Dream on.
Its not the Rape law that needs four witnesses, but its adultery. So first you need to get your facts straight. There is a reason for 4-witness law. Islam has made the punishment lenient by including this law. Because the punishment for adultery is stoned to death to show severity of this major sin, but since it is impossible to find 4 witnesses, so no one actually get stoned to death. See, how Islam is flexible and lenient? SubhanAllah.
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*Originally posted by Agent Smith: *
Because the punishment for adultery is stoned to death to show severity of this major sin, but since it is impossible to find 4 witnesses, so no one actually get stoned to death. See, how Islam is flexible and lenient? SubhanAllah.
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the way you describe it .. it sounds like a loophole not flexibility or leniency....
Agent Smith, by your logic, Islam allows adultery as it is impossible to punish anyone under the existing law. A genuine question though, why do Kafirs have to be killed by 'true' muslims. Even if Shias were considered Kafirs by some, why kill them?
There is an alternate punishment for adultery like 70 lashes (not really sure about the numbers though). But no one gets away with adultery. According to Quran, a murder of one innocent person is murder of whole mankind. So anyone says that peace loving non-Muslims (kaafirs) should be killed is not a Muslim. So your answer to your question is no one should be killed. Shias are not Kaafirs they are Muslims. Anyone who calls shia kaafir is not Muslim himself. It’s a really really sad situation.
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*Originally posted by Agent Smith: *
There is an alternate punishment for adultery like 70 lashes (not really sure about the numbers though). But no one gets away with adultery.
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Wrong, for adultery (or fornication) you need 4 witnesses (of the actual act) or a confession from the sinner. Its stones for the adulterer and 100 lashes for the fornicator. Nothing else, Islam is not about catching as many people as possible and punishing them, its also about changing our ways and repenting from our previous sins and seeking forgiveness.
Its true 'no one gets away with adultery', but in the hereafter.
Anyway back to the topic, how sad, how stupid and for how long.
In my American opinion, any religion or sect that condones violence or advocates it is a religion of animals, pigs at that.
Give them jobs to do and 2 meals to eat and see how it gets better. This Sunni Shia nonsense will disappear only when there is economic prosperity and garbage religious values thrown in the gutter. Mullah makes his living out of this, and gets to screw the ill nourished (mentally) idiots (I am not suggesting Agent Smith, but not denying it either) who need to see the light and respect fellow human being more than their constitution – unless they place more importance to their constitution (written by a Sharabi I must add) than they do to walking talking human beings.
