Well, living in Pakistan in many places i have seen written on walls. “Yaa Ali Madad”(O Ali Help ME)
and have heard it on chat too.
Reading This Ayat From the Quran:
9:116 {Surah Tawba}
Unto Allah belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth. He giveth life and He taketh it. Except for Him ye have no protector nor helper.
“Except For him You have no protector nor helper” Then whats this Ya Ali Madad?
Allah Hafiz
Good question, shahbash. Even Prophet Muhammad said I cant help you and its only your deeds that will help you. Its just like putting a taawiz in ones neck and not following whats written in it. This is just like putting a doctors prescription around ones neck and not following it. Instead of following hazrat Ali and his example just praying from him. I only get help from God and nobody else.
Acha Bacha asks Why we say: ‘Ya Ali Madad’.
Our permanent attention regarding our desires, distresses, and anguish is fixed upon Allah, the Absolute. But the Holy Qur'an says that we should reach Almighty Allah, through some means of approach:
[al-Ma'idah 5:35] O ye who believe! Be mindful of your duty to Allah, and seek the way of approach unto Him, and strive in His way in order that ye may succeed.
We Imammi Shias (Jafferis and Ismailis) do not regard the descendants of the Prophet as the solution to all our problems. We regard them as the most pious of the servants of Allah and as a means of divine bounty.
We attach ourselves to that exalted family according to the injunction of the Prophet. The authentic Hadith-e-Safina, which has been narrated by all of sunni great ulema, almost without exception, and with unbroken continuity. More than a hundred of your own scholars have related this hadith. The Holy Prophet (s) said:
"We serve as the ark of salvation. Whoever holds fast to this ark will reach salvation and whoever deviates from it will be cast into perdition. Whoever wants Allah to grant him something should resort to the `ahl al-bayt'."
This tradition has been narrated by Shaykh al-Islam Hamu'i in the first chapter of "Fara'id al-Samtayn" and Khatib Khwarazmi in "Manaqib" 252 (c.f. "al-Ghadir" 300/2). The Ashbah tradition has been narrated by Allamah Amini in another part of the al-Ghadir" (301/7) quoting Abul-Fath Muhammad binAli al-Natanzi in "Alfaz".
Imam Muhammad Bin Idris Shafi'i has referred to the authenticity of this hadith in his couplets which Allama Fazil Ajib recorded in his Zakhiratu'l-Ma'al. Imam Shafi'i, who is recognized as one of the distinguished religious scholars of the Sunni sect, admits that our attachment to the purified family of the Prophet is the means of our deliverance. In this regard, Imam Shafii' has said the following: "When I saw different schools of thought directing people toward the seas of ignorance and deviation, I boarded the ark of salvation in the Name of Allah. This arc is verily crystallized in the "ahl al-bayt" of the Seal of the Prophets, Mustafa (s)."
The Ahlal Bait or Panjtan Pak(Holy 5) are the Godly ones of the Family of the Holy Prophet whom the Muslim World as a whole unanimously acknowledges as the Pure Personalities and hold them as INFALLIBLE Holy ones PURIFIED By God Himself.
The Almighty Allah has bestowed His trust on Ale Muhammad (The descendants of Muhammad, Peace Be Upon Them), who are the Strongholds of His Commandments. From where they are expounded and interpreted. They are The Fountain Heads of Knowledge Created by Him, Shelters for His Teachings, Forts for Heavenly Books, And lofty Citadels to defend His Religion. Islam needed help and support, By them Allah made Islam strong and powerful.
[as-Sajdah 32:24] And We appointed, from among them, leaders, giving guidance under Our command, so long as they persevered with patience and continued to have faith in Our Signs.
[al-An`am 6:97] It is He Who maketh the stars (as beacons) for you, that ye may guide yourselves, with their help, through the dark spaces of land and sea: We detail Our signs for people who know.
[al-An`am 6:98] It is He Who hath produced you from a single person: here is a place of sojourn and a place of departure: We detail Our signs for people who understand.
The Holy Prophet said:
" As the stars in the sky are the Source of guidance to the travellers, The Holy Ones of my Ahlal Bait are The Source of Guidance for the people. And, as the stars will remain in the sky until The Day of Judgment, The earth will never be without a Divinely Guide from My Ahlal Bait, That is an Imam".
[ar-Ra`d 13:7] And the Unbelievers say: "Why is not a sign sent down to him from his Lord?" But thou art truly a warner, and to every people a guide.
[an-Nisa' 4:170] O Mankind! The Apostle hath come to you in truth from God: believe in him: It is best for you. But if ye reject Faith, to God belong all things in the heavens and on earth: And God is All-knowing, All-wise.
[al-Anbiya' 21:73] And We made them Imams(leaders), guiding (men) by Our Command, and We sent them inspiration to do good deeds, to establish regular prayers, and to practise regular charity; and they constantly served Us (and Us only).
[ash-Shura 42:17] It is God Who has sent down the Book in Truth, and the Balance (by which to weigh conduct). And what will make thee realise that perhaps the Hour is close at hand?
[al-Bayyinah 98:7] Those who have faith in god and do righteous deeds they are the best of creatures (khairul barriya).
Allah refers to none but our Ahle Bayt Imams in the above ayas. The Two inseparable Associates: Quran & Imam each one of whom stands as a witness to the truth of the other. Since the Ahlal Bait Imam from the Holy Five carry as much weight in the eyes of Allah as The Holy Quran, the former has the same qualities as the latter.
Just as the Qur'an is true from beginning to end without the shadow of untruth in it, but, to understand it & follow it one must look to the Imam-e-zamaan whose guidance/commands must be followed by all. Therefore there can be no escape of accepting their leadership and following their creed and faith. The Muslims are bound by the sayings of prophet to follow them and no one else.
**Peace And The Mercy Of God Be Upon Muhammad And His Descendants. Lord Who distinguished Muhammad and His descendants with Excellence; Entrusted them with Thy mission; And favored them with Thy privilege (of intercession); Who made them The Heirs to The Prophets; Who sealed upon them the succession and Guardianship of the Religion; Who taught them The knowledge of all what was and all that remains; Who made the hearts for mankind yearn for them. Lord, Bless Muhammad and his descendants, The Pure Ones, and Do unto us what Thou art Worthy of doing in this world, and the hereafter. Verily Thou Has Power over all things. **
Bismillah,
wowyi, I have to my full ability tried to answer all of your claims. please read them and then reply. (Sorry The Post Got so long
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Acha Bacha asks Why we say: ‘Ya Ali Madad’.
Our permanent attention regarding our desires, distresses, and anguish is fixed upon Allah, the Absolute. But the Holy Qur’an says that we should reach Almighty Allah, through some means of approach:
[al-Ma’idah 5:35] O ye who believe! Be mindful of your duty to Allah, and seek the way of approach unto Him, and strive in His way in order that ye may succeed.
Seek the way of approach ← The way is through Salat, Taqwa, Dhikr, Fasting. not through asking Ali(RA) for Help.
We Imammi Shias (Jafferis and Ismailis) do not regard the descendants of the Prophet as the solution to all our problems. We regard them as the most pious of the servants of Allah and as a means of divine bounty.
The most Pious of the servents of Allah are the Prophets of Allah. and they only are the means of divine bounty. Pointing out something “do not regard the descendants of the Prophet as the solution to all our problems” what do u mean ALL our problems. which problems do u think they have a solution of? Our problems i am sure will be solved if we act upon the Sunnah of the Prophet (PBUH) and His companions not ask for their help. as the Hadis below relates:
“… my Ummah will be fragmented into seventy-three sects. All of them will be in Hell Fire except one sect. They (the Companions) said: Allah’s Messenger, which is that? Whereupon he said: It is one to which I and my companions belong.”
Transmitted by Tirmidhi.
So we should do what the Prophet(pbuh) and his companions did.
We attach ourselves to that exalted family according to the injunction of the Prophet. The authentic Hadith-e-Safina, which has been narrated by all of sunni great ulema, almost without exception, and with unbroken continuity. More than a hundred of your own scholars have related this hadith. The Holy Prophet (s) said:
“We serve as the ark of salvation. Whoever holds fast to this ark will reach salvation and whoever deviates from it will be cast into perdition. Whoever wants Allah to grant him something should resort to the `ahl al-bayt’.”
Again we need to follow the steps of the Holy Prophet(PBUH) and his companions. perhaps “resort to” refers to this?
Imam Muhammad Bin Idris Shafi’i has referred to the authenticity of this hadith in his couplets which Allama Fazil Ajib recorded in his Zakhiratu’l-Ma’al. Imam Shafi’i, who is recognized as one of the distinguished religious scholars of the Sunni sect, admits that our attachment to the purified family of the Prophet is the means of our deliverance. In this regard, Imam Shafii’ has said the following: “When I saw different schools of thought directing people toward the seas of ignorance and deviation, I boarded the ark of salvation in the Name of Allah. This arc is verily crystallized in the “ahl al-bayt” of the Seal of the Prophets, Mustafa (s).”
I dont want to question the authenticity of the Hadis because that will lead to a whole new discussion. but could you guide me as to how He Imam Shafi boarded the arc of salvation. i mean did he ask Ali(RA) for help or did he act on the Sunnah of The Prophet(PBUH) or what?
The Ahlal Bait or Panjtan Pak(Holy 5) are the Godly ones of the Family of the Holy Prophet whom the Muslim World as a whole unanimously acknowledges as the Pure Personalities and hold them as INFALLIBLE Holy ones PURIFIED By God Himself.
Godly ones???. Yes They belong to the family of the Prophet and correct me if i am wrong but arent the Prophets(PBUT) the only ones purified by God himself?. and The Whole Muslim world acknowledges them perhaps as Mominin not Godly ones. As Humans who almost to perfection obey Allah And his Prophet(PBUH).
The Almighty Allah has bestowed His trust on Ale Muhammad (The descendants of Muhammad, Peace Be Upon Them), who are the Strongholds of His Commandments. From where they are expounded and interpreted. They are The Fountain Heads of Knowledge Created by Him, Shelters for His Teachings, Forts for Heavenly Books, And lofty Citadels to defend His Religion. Islam needed help and support, By them Allah made Islam strong and powerful.
Oh Boy. Isnt your english good. or did u copy that off from some book.
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I really dont know how u people portray Ale Muhammad as so high in status. A whole load of Adjectives there Ummmmm 1 question who does Ale Muhammad here refer to? The Syeds?
And While reading my answers to the Quoted Ayats please i request you to have an open mind and then read and then read MY references too
[as-Sajdah 32:24] And We appointed, from among them, leaders, giving guidance under Our command, so long as they persevered with patience and continued to have faith in Our Signs.
[As-Sajadah 32:23] We did indeed aforetime give the Book to Moses: be not then in doubt of its reaching (thee): and We made it a guide to the Children of Israel.
As you see in the previous Ayah i.e 32 23. The Children of Israel are mentioned and that a book was given to them…The next Ayah therefore refers to the leaders i.e The Prophets sent to The Children of Israel. not i must say the Imams.
[al-An`am 6:97] It is He Who maketh the stars (as beacons) for you, that ye may guide yourselves, with their help, through the dark spaces of land and sea: We detail Our signs for people who know.
This Ayah is clear. It refers to us Humans using the stars as a guidance at sea and land. It is generally known that the North Star is used by sailors
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[al-An`am 6:98] It is He Who hath produced you from a single person: here is a place of sojourn and a place of departure: We detail Our signs for people who understand.
I do not see how this Ayah refers to ther Imams? Allah Has produced us from a single person. that is clear.
The Holy Prophet said:
" As the stars in the sky are the Source of guidance to the travellers, The Holy Ones of my Ahlal Bait are The Source of Guidance for the people. And, as the stars will remain in the sky until The Day of Judgment, The earth will never be without a Divinely Guide from My Ahlal Bait, That is an Imam".
Where may i find this Hadis. It is truly a fabrication. look at the Quran and Point out 1 place where DIRECT referance to the Imams is made
[ar-Ra`d 13:7] And the Unbelievers say: “Why is not a sign sent down to him from his Lord?” But thou art truly a warner, and to every people a guide.
Brother if u read the First Ayat of this Surah you will see who this refers to.
[ar-Ra`d 13:1]Alif Lam Mim Ra. These are the Signs (or Verses) of the Book: that which hath been revealed unto thee from thy Lord is the Truth; but most men believe not.
As u see in the first Ayah. “That which hath been revealed unto thee” surely refers to the Quran being revealed unto Prophet Muhammad(PBUH). The same applies to Ayah 7 where “thou art truly a warner, and to every people a guide” refers to Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) Not any Imam.
[an-Nisa’ 4:170] O Mankind! The Apostle hath come to you in truth from God: believe in him: It is best for you. But if ye reject Faith, to God belong all things in the heavens and on earth: And God is All-knowing, All-wise.
Right. This too refers To Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) not any Imam.
[al-Anbiya’ 21:73] And We made them Imams(leaders), guiding (men) by Our Command, and We sent them inspiration to do good deeds, to establish regular prayers, and to practise regular charity; and they constantly served Us (and Us only).
In the Translation i have, brother the word Imam doesnt occur. leaders is not in brackets but it is in the place of Imam. i.e “And We Made Them Leaders, guiding (men)…”
I will suggest again that with an open mind you should read the Quran. The correct translation can be found on the net at www.islam.org. Taking it as Leaders brother, if u read the verses preceding this one you will see that the story of Hazrat Ibrahim is being narrated. the 2 verses preceding this one are:
[al-Anbiya’ 21:71] But We delivered him and (his nephew) Lut (and directed them) to the land which We have blessed for the nations
[al-Anbiya’ 21:72] And We bestowed on him Isaac and as an additional gift (a grandson) Jacob and We made righteous men of every one (of them).
So brother when you read Ayah 71 then 72 then 73. you see that in verse 73 the word leaders refers to Isaac, Jacob, Lut (PBUT).
[ash-Shura 42:17] It is God Who has sent down the Book in Truth, and the Balance (by which to weigh conduct). And what will make thee realise that perhaps the Hour is close at hand?
I dont see where this Ayah Refers To any Imam. The verse indeed warns us:
[Al-Baqarah 2:2] This is the Book; in it is guidance sure without doubt to those who fear Allah
[al-Bayyinah 98:7] Those who have faith in god and do righteous deeds they are the best of creatures (khairul barriya).
This Ayah refers to All of Mankind in general. It states that those who have Faith in God and are righteous are the best of creatures. Any man Who has Faith in God and does righteous deeds is the best of creatures thus.
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Allah refers to none but our Ahle Bayt Imams in the above ayas. The Two inseparable Associates: Quran & Imam each one of whom stands as a witness to the truth of the other. Since the Ahlal Bait Imam from the Holy Five carry as much weight in the eyes of Allah as The Holy Quran, the former has the same qualities as the latter.
Brother again Show me 1 place where referance is made directly to the Imams. Read my evidence above and you will see that for every Ayah you quoted the preceding ones show that your claim is false. look at the context of the whole Surah. not the one Ayah please.
Just as the Qur’an is true from beginning to end without the shadow of untruth in it, but, to understand it & follow it one must look to the Imam-e-zamaan whose guidance/commands must be followed by all. Therefore there can be no escape of accepting their leadership and following their creed and faith. The Muslims are bound by the sayings of prophet to follow them and no one else.
Just for once, Just for once, consider that the Hadis you have quoted is a fabrication. and then look at the evidence i have provided. Quoting you “Just as the Qur’an is true from beginning to end without the shadow of untruth in it, but, to understand it & follow it one must look to the Imam-e-zamaan whose guidance/commands must be followed by all” I beg to differ
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i would say that to understand it and Follow it we the Ummah must look at The Holy Prophet Muhammad(PBUH)
Quoting the Quran:
[Al-Baiyina 98:6] Those who reject (Truth) among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists will be in hell-fire to dwell therein (for aye). They are the worst of creatures.
That is why brother i will ask to to reconsider your stand.
My question goes unanswered.
[At-Tauba 9:116] Unto Allah belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth. He giveth life and He taketh it. Except for Him ye have no protector nor helper.
Requote “Except for Him ye have no protector nor helper”
Then Why do the Shia Say “Ya Ali Madad”
Allah Hafiz
P.S awwwwwwwwwww thanx for the Shahbash Degas
The propriety of saying "Ya Ali Madad" depends entirely upon the intention
of the person who says it.
If the help of Hadhrat Ali (A.S.) or any of the other ma'sumeen is sought as
an intercessor and a 'waseelah' envisaged by the Holy Qur'an in Ayah 35 of
Suratul Maidah then not only there can be no objection but it would be the
right and proper thing to do.
But if help is sought in the belief that the person whose help sought shares
with Allah the right to create, sustain and
protect then the call for help might amount to 'shirk'.
The Ayah referred to above reads as follows:
"O you who believe ! Be mindful of your Duty to Allah, and seek a way to
approach him ((wab tagoo ilayhi waseelah).................." This has been quoted above aswell.
This I believe will not satisfy you. You need to understand the position of Imam Ali (AS) as an Imam rather than a mere companion to realise why we say Ya Ali Madad. Also understand that when Shi’a say Imam it is totally different to what Sunnis mean when they say Imam. I have attached a part of sermon of Imam Ali(AS) from Nahjul Balagha for your consideration.
"Where are those who falsely and unjustly claimed that they are deeply versed in knowledge, as against us, although Allah raised us in position and kept them down, bestowed upon us knowledge but deprived them, and entered us (in the fortress of knowledge) but kept them out. With us guidance is to be sought and blindness (of misguidance) is to be changed into brightness. Surely Imams (divine leaders) will be from the Quraysh. They have been planted in this line through Hashim. It would not suit others nor would others be suitable as heads of affairs." [Sermon 143]
[Source: Nahjul Balagha, translated by Syed Ali Raza]
One who takes lessons from the events of life, gets vision, one who acquires vision becomes wise and one who attains wisdom achieves knowledge.