Re: Asia Bibi’s husbands open letter to Pakistani president
Wow, you have a ‘like’ there too. Either I am someone with above average intelligence or some posters here have below average that I have to keep repeating the same views in 5-10 posts but they still keep arguing and asking me the same questions which I already have answered. When you quote me, it is to show that you have read me then why repeat your questions? If you read again my post which you have quoted, then you would not have felt any need to write this new post or you just want to continue the argument in order to come across as someone “having a point”.
If Im not wrong, this is going to be my 4th post in the thread. Im going to repeat my views with a hope this time they will be understood as I mean. See my answers in Blue.
lovely…so when you can’t address a point you resort to name-calling.
I need you to quote that part of my post where I have called you names. I do not recall calling you names nor do I find anywhere that I called you names after re-reading my post to you. If, by any chance, you are referring to me calling those people who cause such incidents of mistreating the minorities to happen JAHIL (IGNORANTS) then are you saying that they are NOT ignorant for doing what they’re doing??? So what are they if not IGNORANT? How is that NAME CALLING? Is that not what everyone with better understanding of Islam call them??? IGNORANT (JAHILS) because they dont know what the religion of Islam says about the minorities??? Then how is that NAME CALLING?
If you are objecting to why I am COMPARING you with them and suggesting that COMPARISON is NAME CALLING. Then I would only say that this is what billysh!t does to your brain. This is why we have JAHIL (IGNORANT) ‘muslims’ and this is why we have people are incapable of understand simple things despite repeating for them several times. Because intelligence levels of normal humans drops down below 10 after they watch a single bollysh!t flick.
let’s for a moment accept that you are correct and that nobody living outside of the nation should speak about the atrocities that are being committed there.
**You said, "let’s for a moment accept that you are correct and that nobody living outside of the nation should speak about the atrocities that are being committed there." Pay close attention to the red parts and most importantly underlined red parts of this post of mine. I need you to go back to my post and re-read exactly what I wrote. If you cannot, here Im pasting for you even though I hate dealing with kids pretending to be adults on online forums. I know it when I have to copy paste the same material for them as if explaining to 5-8 year olds. Anyway, here is what I said in my post number 19 which you quoted, "So STOP speaking on behalf of ALL the muslim population of Pakistan which includes people like us too." and in my post number 26 which you have quoted too, "…by speaking on behalf of entire population of Pakistan which comprises of people like US too by labeling yourselves as WE (Representing) because by doing that (exercising the right which you do not have)…You’ll have NO RIGHT to represent yourselves as PAKISTANIS by using the term WE… maybe next time you guys can use basic sense of ethics and NOT speak on OUR behalf …"
Do you see above how you completely changed what I actually said by adding your, "…you are correct and that nobody living outside of the nation…"??? Where did I say in my above posts (which I have pasted again for you) what you have accused me of saying in your post??? To explain in simpler and with a variety of many more words, here is what I said:
1. RESIDENTS of PAKISTAN with a specific view over something happening in PAKISTAN should NOT speak ON BEHALF of the entire populations of MUSLIMS PAKISTANIS who live in Pakistan. Because by skipping out the opinion of people like US, they are representing a FALSE picture of the Pakistanis living in Pakistan. So while they’re free to say whatever they want on their own responsibility as Pakistanis on a personal level, they can NOT and must NOT claim to be representing the ENTIRE Pakistani nation and the people living in this country.
2. In post number 26, after you made clear that those posters above who are REPRESENTING and speaking ON BEHALF OF all the Pakistanis LIVING INSIDE Pakistan do not even LIVE in Pakistan, I said that such Pakistanis LIVING ABROAD and claiming that they represent the views of all the communities living inside Pakistan and ACCEPT THE BLAME of the sins which are neither committed, nor supported by word or action by muslim Pakistanis LIKE US have absolutely NO RIGHT to REPRESENT, SPEAK ON BEHALF OF ALL the Pakistanis living in Pakistan because by doing that they are MISREPRESENTING the Pakistani muslim communities living in Pakistan. If they want to give an opinion as people with their origins tracing back to Pakistan or generally on humanitarian or moral ground, say that this is morally wrong because Islam does not allow mistreatment of minorities. Then I would not object to it. But when they’re using the term “WE” for describing, misrepresenting, WRONGLY accepting the blame on OUR (Various muslim communities living in Pakistan) behalf & while completely discarding US and OUR VIEWS and tell the world on social media that they represent PAKISTANI RESIDENTS then as a muslim Pakistani living in Pakistan, I have every right to object to that. Because NON-PAKISTANI or NON-RESIDENT Pakistanis have NO RIGHT speak ON OUR BEHALF & MISREPRESENT US because that is also MORALLY WRONG.
Do you see now what I actually said in my post? The people of the world, people with Pakistani origins, muslims or non muslims of the world, Pakistanis living abroad, Pakistanis living in Pakistan… every one is entitled to their own opinions and have every right to express it whether for or against a certain incident which takes place in Pakistan. But they do NOT have any RIGHT to REPRESENT and speak ON BEHALF OF ALL THE PAKISTANI COMMUNITIES LIVING IN PAKISTAN ESPECIALLY because most NON-JAHIL, EDUCATED and those with a better knowledge about Islam do NOT commit, encourage, support by word or action or even relate to such incidents. Am I making sense to you so far??? I hope you’re not going to come around with another repetitive post like vroom just because your bollysh!t influenced brain is unable to ‘get it’.
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let’s for a moment accept that every single person YOU know has had no hand in these crimes against humanity.
You said, “let’s for a moment accept…”. Those words alone show that you do not believe when I say I or my close and distant family do not discriminate based on religion. Sure we dont eat with those minorities working for us together on the same dining table just like we dont eat with the muslim labor working for us because we dont meet them socially. But we do not mistreat them or differentiate because they follow another religion. However, when the only time we prefer muslims is when we have to give out ZAKAT as that is preferred to be given out to muslims in need FIRST. So by writing those words, you are showing that you do not trust what I said. If you’re a muslim, that mistrust could come only if what I said is new to you, your household, your family and you yourself discriminate against nonmuslim minorities. Otherwise I dont see why the mistrust. If you’re a nonmuslim living abroad, then that mistrust on what I said is understandable for not having come across muslims who do not discriminate.
can you suggest a solution?
Now you’re looking up to me for a solution? For that, you did not need to cause all the drama above, blame game, accusations, mistrust on my words as being a muslim Pakistani. And if you had really read my posts which you have quoted too, I did suggest a solution too to the OP when he brought in the ‘constitution’ part to the discussion. If you’re going to tell me that you did not read the solution I suggested then I would suggest you to skip watching bollysh!t flicks for over a year. Once your brain starts to function normally then go back and read my posts again, understand them first before responding again asking me the same questions over and over. Because when I type here, I expect adults to understand me clearly as they have a chance to read my posts as many times as they want. It’s not like conversating where you say things once and the words are not recorded and there is a chance to misunderstand or forget what the other person said. Here everything we type is visible and available to re-read as many times as possible. So there is no excuse of “missing to read” or “forgot what you said”. So it gets extremely frustrating to re-type what you have typed once.
how do all of YOU, that aren’t participating in these atrocities, stop them from happening in YOUR nation?
what level of responsibility do YOU accept and what are YOU doing to prevent the crimes?
or are you saying that since you are not party to the actions therefore you have no obligation to prevent them?
All of the above accusations again are asking me to repeat what I already made clear in my earlier post but I will do this again now with a variety of more words. From, “…YOUR nation…” in your post, Im guessing that you’re asking as a random non-Pakisani or non-muslim or non-resident of Pakistan. So which one are you? Non-Pakistani, Non-muslim or Non-Resident Pakistani? If you can clarify that, it will be easier for me to address your conerns about “…MY nation…” as you see, there are too many trolls on the internet forums and social media who pretend to be Pakistanis OR muslims or BOTH but they’re not. So if you clarify that you’re asking as a non-resident Pakistani or as a non-resident non muslim Pakistani or if you’re not even a Pakistani but just taking interest in this discussion just to support and bash ALL the Pakistanis like OP who’s speaking on behalf of Pakistanis; while he is not even living in Pakistan; through this unfortunate incident against the christian family.
To answer rest of the allegations in your remaining post, I would again repeat what I already said in my earlier posts. We DISCOURAGE such acts by NOT being a part of it, by NOT encouraging such cruel acts by word or action, by KEEPING AWAY from the JAHIL (IGNORANT) muslims, by renouncing such acts or personal, social level, praying to God to help serve justice so that no innocent Pakistanis from the minorities are targeted in the name of Islam, by not mistreating them ourselves whereever, whenever we have to deal with them, by treating them with the same rights as prescribed in the Quran & sunnah. That is how we do our part “to prevent them”.*
Living in a country like Pakistan which is targeted and controlled by gog and magog through their local agents from the economic to social to legal to religious system is not easy especially when the media is also controlled to spread the spiritual ills instead of purity of the soul, minds, hearts and the real facts. So in a dajjalic system like this, how we deal with minorities on a personal level also requires an ability to understand things as they are and not be driven by the impulses and trends, an effort to be just. That in itself is a ‘fight’ with satanic temptations and those herding us like sheeps.
So unless (Incase you’re a muslim), you yourself give a better treatment to the minorities of your own country (Incase you’re a non-Pakistani) as WE do (Which we really do even if you dont trust what I say) or are doing something MORE than that in preventing such unfortunate incidents, you have no right to attack and blame those muslim communities in Pakistan which do NOT support or encourage such incidents in anyway.
Hope I have addressed your concerns and quote and re-address me only if you have fully understood my post and are not asking me something which I have already explained in my last 5 posts in this thread. Because to repeat to explain one point in different 10 or more different ways or similar ways can be extremely frustrating for any normal person.***