Peace All
Have your sins for the year forgiven and fast the 9th and 10th of Muharram coming this Sunday and Monday… SubhanAllah for those living in the northern hemisphere the winter days are short - what a missed opportunity if we do not make the most of these days?
Also, make it count don’t just do a day without lunch … or we will gain nothing except hunger and thirst … we should fast with our bodies and thoughts … do extra dhikr and pray all Sunnahs and Nawafil …
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Is it fine to fast for the first 10 days of Muharram?
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Is it fine to fast for the first 10 days of Muharram?
Peace Mjoe
Yes of course, but do not view that as Sunnah ... the Sunnah is the fast of 10th and the intended Sunnah is the fast of the 9th and 10th because the intent of RasoolAllah (SAW) was to fast on the 9th and 10th for Ashura with the intent to continue the Sunnah of Musa (AS), but he (SAW) had passed on before then ... The other days 1st to 8th are nafils only and days that are not to be fasted are the two Eids in the Islamic year ... on them it is forbidden to fast.
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Pray, and meditate those two days. And try to feel the pain of the family of Prophet Mohammed (saw), send our grievances to him. Ponder over the great sacrifice that they made, tell our children the story of Karbala .. how you have to make sacrifices in the way of God, for truth and justice. There is a hidden mercy in pain. God has made it this way, the feelings of intense pain shatter the walls of ego (nafs) and gets one closer to God.
Gham e Hussein kisi aik firqay ki jagir nahi hai, yeh tou saray aalam k liye aik nemat hai.
Iqbal kehtay hain ke mainay to khuda ko nahi dekha, magar hussain ki qurbani dekh kar maira yaqeen kamil ho gaya k khuda hai.
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Peace All
Please note the fast on Ashura and the event of Karbala are two different things ... I intended this thread to be specifically about the fasting ... I am not trying to reduce the importance of the Karbala event ... :)
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Fast must be kept for first 9 days and then Faqah is kept on the tenth. (Faqah is like a fast but is not the intention of a fast , it is abstinence from food and drink and everything else disallowed during a fast until the time of Asr when it is broken with simple food.It is boken at asr as it is the time after which Imam Hussein was killed).
[http://www.muharram.shiasisters.net/articles/fasting_on_ashura.html
P](http://www.muharram.shiasisters.net/articles/fasting_on_ashura.html)syah: I’m confused as to how How can the fasting on Ashura and the event of karballa be two different things? Unless you mean we should be fasting on every tenth,which isnt likely as Eid is on the tenth of zilhaj.. :bummer: Please clarify.
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as far as i know BANU UMMAYYAH used to fast on the 10th and 11th of muharram! to show their joy and happiness after the killing of prophet saw Family in Karbala!
however, its encouraged to fast on the 1st and 3rd of muharram.
here is a beautiful piece i came across abt misperceptions abt fasting on 1oth of muharram!
its kinda long .. but worth reading! :)
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*Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) entered Medina in the first year of Hijra and noticed the Jews fasting. He asked one of his companions: "Why are the Jews fasting?". His companion replied: "The Jews are remembering when Prophet Moses (pbuh) and the children of Israel were saved from the Pharaoh". The prophet said: "I have a greater right on Moses than what they do. Therefore, my people will fast on Ashura in the same way they are fasting on Ashura". One of the companions exclaimed: "O Messenger of Allah, but we are going to be copying the Jews" and the prophet then replied: "You are right, from now on we will fast on the 9th and 10th".
***The above narration and the fast of Ashura is one of the most controversial acts of worship in Islam. It is an act of worship that requires thorough dissection and analyses in order to examine it from a variety of angles.
When examining the hadith above; we must carefully consider the following:
When is the hadith mentioned and in which books is it narrated?
Who narrated the hadith and what is their personal history?
What is the meaning of the word ‘Ashura’ and does it possess more than one meaning?
According to the Jewish calendar, did the Jews fast on the day of savior of the children of Israel? Did this day correspond to the 10th of Muharram?
When did the Arabic calendar begin and how does this coincide with the above hadith?
Why would the prophet copy the practice of the Jews?
Are there other areas of the Sunnah which have been neglected?
The fast of Ashura upholds both historical and contemporary significance. In terms of its contemporary significance, people from all over the globe engage in a fast on the day of Ashura. According to some scholars, the fast of Ashura ‘Is one of the most beloved fasts to the holy prophet, after the fast of Ramadan’. Due to its contemporary significance, it is important to understand the basis of the fast on Ashura, where this particular act of worship originated from and whether this act is recognized by all schools of Islam.
Have you ever wondered why the fast of Ashura is the only Sunnah of the holy prophet Muhammad (pbuh) which is provided with such a vast propaganda?
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As the 10th of Muharram approaches, all the Imams are preparing lectures that highlight the significance of the fast of Ashura. Millions of pamphlets, books, posters and many more media machinery operate to encourage the population to fast on Ashura. It seems that on the 10th of Muharram, the fast of Ashura is the only momentous incident in the history of Islam. Yet, the savior of Prophet Ibrahim (pbuh) from the king Namrud and the fire, the savior of Prophet Noah (pbuh) and his people, the curing of Prophet Ayyub’s (pbuh) illness and the returning of Prophet Yaqub’s eyesight all occurred on Ashura. Yet, why are such significantly notable events NEGLECTED? Why is everything devoted to the fast of Ashura?
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Subsequently, *the act of fasting on Ashura originated from the day of savior of Prophet Moses (pbuh) and the children of Israel. The comprehensive analysis of this act of worship requires delving into the worlds of history and ahadith as well as studying the Jewish and Islamic calendars.
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The hadith relating to the fast of Ashura is narrated in Imam Bukhari’s Sahih; Imam Muslim’s Sahih and Imam Tarmizi’s Sahih. Thus, it is narrated in three of the six available Sahih’s. When we look at any narration which tells us about an act of worship such as fasting, we must analyze the chain of narrators in order to confirm its reliability. Ibn Abas, Abu Hurraira, Abu Musa al ashari and Muawiya are the narrators who claim that the prophet recommended the fast of Ashura.
The above hadith is meant to have been mentioned when the prophet arrived in Medina in the 1st year of Hijra. Hence, we will examine the activities of the narrators at that period of time:
Ibn Abas was four years old when the prophet arrived in Medina and the hadith was mentioned. Ibn Abas was born three years before Hijra. If we assume that he was with the prophet at Hijra and Ibn Abas heard every single bit of the narration, he would have been four years at that time. According to many scholars of hadith, a four year old child is not exactly the most reliable resource.
Abu Musa al Ashari came from the tribe of Ashar in Yemen. He converted to Islam before Hijra and since that day till Khabar, he was no where to be seen. This is because the prophet sent him back to Yemen to spread the religion of Islam and consequently he could not have been with the prophet in the 1st year of Hijra since he was in Yemen. The first glimpse anyone had of Abu Musa was after Khaibar.
Abu Hurraira converted to Islam in his early years and was only seen in Medina after Khaibar which occurred in the 7th year of Hijra. Now, if you weren’t even at the event, then how can you narrate what happened?
Muawiya converted to Islam in the 8th year of Hijra which is seven years after the mentioning of the hadith relating to the fast of Ashura. Thus, can you label Muawiya as being a reliable source?
Further examination of the narrators broadens our understanding of the validity of the above hadith:
Abu Hurraira was made the governor of Bahrian by Omar al khatab in the 21st year of Hijra. In the 23rd year of Hijra, Omar discovers that Abu Hurraira was gaining an income through the narration of ahadith. Omar said to him: "When I let you go to Bahrain, you didn’t even have shoes on your feet and now in Bahrian, you are buying horses for 1600 dinars each and I hear that you are narrating ahadith and making an income from it".
This incident emphasizes that the narration of Ahadith became a profession after the death of the holy prophet Muhammad (pbuh). Can we possibly accept a narration from a person like Abu Hurraira? How can we accept the hadith as being valid if the narrators weren’t even present at the incidence?
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Furthermore, it is important to consider the meaning of the word "Ashura" in order to analyze the hadith above from a different angle. Ibn Ather who was one of the greatest scholars of the Arabic language highlights that the word ‘Ashura’ possesses an old and a new meaning. Taking the old meaning into perspective, "Ashura" refers to the 10th of any month. Moreover, the new meaning of the word Ashura was established after the martyrdom of Imam Hussain (pbuh) and it refers to the 10th of Muharram in particular as it was on this holy day that the prophet’s grandson was murdered in the land of Kerbala.
Upon Ibn Ather’s examination of the hadith relating to the fast of Ashura, he raises the question: "When was the hadith mentioned?"
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The narrators of the hadith claim that the prophet mentioned the hadith in the 1st year of Hijra. Thus, the old usage of the word "Ashura" applies and when the hadith is put into context, the prophet’s statement "My people will fast on Ashura in the same way they are fasting on Ashura" means that the Muslims will fast on the 10th of the month in which the prophet was in, when he was at Medina. As a result we must be fasting on the 9th and 10th of the month in which the prophet met the Jews at Medina. Why are the Muslims fasting on 10th of Muharram?
Why is the propaganda always behind the 10th of Muharram? The prophet never mentioned Muharram!
The propaganda and media machinery indoctrinate the population by emphasizing that the prophet entered Medina in the month of Muharram and thus he met the Jews on the 10th of Muharram. Let’s assume that this is valid as we analyze the Jewish and Islamic calendar.
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Hence, for an assumption: Ashura= 10th of Muharram in 1st year of Hijra.
The Hadith relating to the fast of Ashura claims that the Jews fast on the day of the savior of prophet Moses and the children of Israel on the 10th of Tishri (Jewish calendar) and this corresponds to the 10th of Muharram (Islamic calendar). The hadith also claims that when the prophet (pbuh) acknowledged that the Jews were fasting on Ashura, he commanded the Muslims to fast on the 9th and 10th of Muharram.
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Consequently, the existence of Judaism today further assists the recovery of truth. Ask the Jews whether they fast on the day that prophet Moses (pbuh) and the children of Israel were saved by the Almighty Allah. Ask them whether the day in which they fast corresponds to the 10th of Muharram. The answer is simply NO. The Jews have no such fast and it NEVER corresponded to the 10th of Muharram in the first year of Hijra. The only time the 10th of Tishri corresponded to the 10th of Muharram was in the 29th year after Hijra. Yet, the hadith claims that the prophet met the Jews in the first year of Hijra!
*Moreover, the 10th of Tishri is not related to the savior of Moses and the children of Israel but rather the 10th of Tishri is the day the children of Israel paid atonement for worshipping the calf when Prophet Moses and some companions went to Mount Sinai. As a result of this incident, the Jews fast on the 10t of Tishri. **However, the hadith relating to the fast of Ashura claims that the Jews were fasting on the 10th of Tishri due to the savior of Moses and the children of Israel! Rather, the savior of the children of Israel occurred on the 15th of Nissan in the Jewish calendar and the 15th of Nissan in the 1st year of Hijra corresponded to the 23rd of Ramadan. **Hence, if there should be a fast which is recommended then it should have nothing to do with the 10th of Muharram but rather the 23rd of Ramadan.
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When narrating the hadith relating to the fast of Ashura, were did this massive mistakes come from?
The mistake was as a result of the naivety of the hadith writer. Since the Islamic calendar begins with Muharram, the hadith writer wrote the hadith on the basis that the prophet entered Medina in Muharram. It is well known that the prophet reached Medina in Rabi al awal. **This big mistake is due to a hadith writer that didn’t understand how the Islamic, Jewish and Arabic calendars work. The prophet entered Medina in Rabi al awal but the Islamic calendar began with Muharram due to the suggestion of Ali Ibn Abi Taleb (pbuh):
"The Islamic calendar will start just like the lunar calendar begins. It will start from the year of Hijra but the month of Muharram."
**When the prophet entered Medina, the hadith claims that he exclaimed: "I have a greater right on Moses than what they do. Therefore, my people will fast on Ashura in the same way they are fasting on Ashura". But we now ask, O messenger of Allah! You entered Medina in Rabi Al Awal and not in Muharram. So, how were the Jews fasting?
It is unbelievable how many people were paid to write ahadith. Plan and plot as much as you want, for "Allah is the best of those who plot" (Holy Quran. Chapter 3, Verse 54). Write as many fake Ahadith and narrations as you will. Allah will expose them all.
Also, when a law is given in Islam, the law may then be changed depending on the circumstances. For example: A law which makes the consumption of alcoholic drinks unlawful has been put into perspective. However, if you were dehydrating in the middle of the desert and possessed nothing but alcohol, then you are permitted to consume it. The consumption of alcohol becomes lawful for you. This is a secondary law. Similarly, there may have been a recommended fast on the 10th of every month (Ashura) and this may have been a Sunnah of the prophet. However, Imam Muhammad al Baqar narrates that as the fast of Ramadan became compulsory, the fast of Ashura was made void and then completely stopped.
Ironically, **some people claim that the fast of Ashura is such an important Sunnah to be practiced while there are so many Sunnah of the holy prophet which they neglect. If you are so concerned about the Sunnah of the prophet then why didn’t you speak out when the Sunnah of the prophet was changed! Wasn’t it a Sunnah of the prophet that the phrase "Haya ala khair al amaal" is included in the Azan?
**When the second Islamic ruler (Khalifa) came in, he simply altered the Sunnah of the prophet and removed the phrase above from the daily Azan. This is because he wanted Jihad to be known as the ‘good task’ (khair al amaal) and not prayer.
Why weren’t you concerned when the Sunnah’s of the prophet were changed? Is the fast of Ashura the Sunnah of the prophet or the Sunnah of someone ELSE?
The fast of Ashura is receiving the most propaganda because it has an agenda behind it and this agenda involves diverting attention from what happened to the grandson of the holy prophet Muhammad (pbuh) at Kerbala. The aim of the fast of Ashura is to divert people’s attention from the incident which resulted in the remorseless slaughter of the prophet’s own grandson. There is no greater event in the history of Islam than the martyrdom of the master of the youth of paradise; the murder of the Grandson of the greatest messenger and the grandson of the greatest message.
Imam Hussain (AS) said: "Don't you see that the truth is not followed and the falsehood is not discouraged? (The situation is so severe) that a Believer wishes to meet Allah. And today I don't see death but prosperity, and living with tyrants is nothing but disgust and disgrace."
What a shame it is that we honor people whom the prophet himself forbade them his intercession in the Day of Judgment. What a disgrace it is that we praise people whom the prophet declared war against.
In a famous Hadith, the Holy prophet (pbuh) said: "Hussain is from me and I am from Hussain". (This manifests that Imam Hussain’s pathway and message is similar to that of the prophet. It is as if he is a replica of the prophet (pbuh)).
The face of the Messenger of Allah (pbuh) lit up upon seeing his newborn grandson. He took him in his arms and then recited the Azaan in his right ears and Aqama in the left one. The prophet then placed the baby in his lap and wept.
"May my father and mother be your sacrifice," Asma asked him: "why are you crying?"
"Because of my son," the prophet (pbuh) replied.
"He is a newborn baby," she said.
"O Asma…..After me, the transgressing party will kill him. May Allah never grant them my intercession."
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Obviously Psyah himself will clarify it for you, what I understood owing to my limited knowledge is that, fasting on 9th and 10 of moharram ul haram as a “sunnah” is obviously different because The Holy Prophet Sal Allah o Aleh Wasalam has no where in his Ahadith ordered to fast thee two days for the “event of Karbala”. Or has he? The Holy Prophet Sal Allah O Aleh Wasalam used to fast these two days following the sunnah of Hazrat Moosa Aleh Assalam. Its a common knowledge and I wonder why did you have to come and ask a simple fact as this.
Due respect for the Event of Karbala and the sacrifice of Ahl e Bait is obligatory in its own way but it shouldnt be confused with the Sunnah of Anhazoor Sal Allah O Aleh Wassalam. We share the grief of the Event of Karbala, we feel the pain for the atrocities commited on the Ahl e Bait too, and condemn, but if we start to believe that the Holy Prophet Sal Allah O Aleh Wassalam used to fast on Ashoora because of Karbala Event that would be like amalgamating facts with fantasies and creating a myth out of it which our religion doesnt allow really.
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I have heard you're suppose to fast either the 9th and 10th or the 10th and 11th to differentiate from Jews?
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http://www.islamiccentre.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=133:ashura-day-10th-muharram&catid=19:islamic-calendar&Itemid=42
The Day of Great Signs of Allah’s Power and GloryBy Allama Muhammad Shahid Raza (M.A)Head Imam, The Islamic Centre, Leicester
Ashura day is the 10[SUP]th[/SUP] day or Muharram (the first month of the Islamic calendar). Since the beginning of this world, Ashura day has been a very important day. On this day great signs of Allah’s power and glory have appeared in the world. On this day many Prophets were born and they were instituted to the office of prophecy. On this day, Prophets, Saints and Sincere servants of Allah were blessed with miracles and spiritual powers.
On Ashura Day the following have taken place:
Repentance of Prophet Adam (Allah’s blessing be upon him) was accepted by Allah
The ship of Prophet Nuh (Noah) (Allah’s blessing be upon him) came to rest on a mountain called Al-Judi.
Prophet Ibrahim (Abraham) (Allah’s blessings be upon him) was born on this day.
He got the title Khalil-ullah (friend of Allah) on this day.
The fire in which Prophet Ibrahim (Allah’s blessings be upon him) was thrown by the kingNamrud become cool and means of safety for Prophet Ibrahim, by the order of Allah.
Allah delivered Prophet Ayub (Job) (Allah’s blessings be upon him) from distress and he was restored to prosperity.
By the Grace of Allah, Prophet Yunas (Jonah) (Allah’s blessings be upon him), after being swallowed by a huge fish (whale) for forty days, was casted out on the shore.
Prophet Mussa (Moses) (Allah’s blessings be upon him) got victory over Pharaoh.
Prophet Suleman (Solomon) (Allah’s blessings be upon him) was made a king to rule over mankind, Jins, Animals and the air.
Prophet Idris (Enoch) (Allah’s blessings be upon him) and Prophet Issa (Jesus) (Allah’s blessings be upon him) were lifted up alive.
Imam Hussain (Allah be pleased with him), the grandson of our beloved Prophet, got martyred at Karbala in Iraq.
The day of resurrection and judgement will take place on this day (Ashura)
(Ghunia-Al-Talibeen & Tafseer-e-Sawi)
Things to do on Ashura Day
It is Mustahab (desirable) to practice the following on Ashura day:
To give to charity
To offer Naf’l (optional) prayers
To read Surah Iklas 1000 times
To visit rightful Ullamas (Islamic Scholars)
To take a bath
To be kind to orphans
To provide food generously to family members
To apply Surmah (Collyrium) to the eyes
To cut nails
To visit the sick
To Invoke blessings (Dua)
To commemorate the martyrdom of Imam Hussain (Allah be pleased with him)
(Fazial Al-Shahoor Wal Ayyam)
Prayers for Ashura Day
Perform 2 rakaats Naf’l prayer, after having a bath. In each rakaat recite Surah Fatiha once,Surah Iklas 10 times. On completion of the prayer recite Ayaat-ul-kursi once and Darood Ibrahim 9 times followed by the Ashura Day dua.
Perform 6 rakaats Naf’l prayer.
In each rakaat recite the following once:
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Surah Fatiha
Surah Wa-Shams
Surah Qadr
Surah Zulzilah
Surah Iklas
Surah Falaq
Surah Na’as
[/LIST]On completion of this prayer read surah Al-Kafiroon once in Sajdah and then invoke the blessings of Allah. It has been written in Ghuniya-Al-Talibeen that after performing this prayer whatever good is asked for Allah is granted.
3. Perform four rekaats Naf’l prayer
In each rekaat recite Surah Fatiha once and Surah Iklas 50 times. Allah will forgive 50 years of sins and a palace will be prepared in paradise. (Rahatul Kulub)
To Hold Meetings on Ashura Day
Holding of religious meetings during the first 10 days of Muharram, specially on Ashura day, is lawful (Ja’iz) and it caries a lot of reward.In these meetings, speeches are made about the heroic deeds and virtues of the martyrs of Karbala. These meetings crease a sense of stability, peace and endurance in the hearts and minds of Muslims. On such occasions speeches should also include stories form the lives of Khulfa-e-rashedean (Rightful Caliphs) and other As-haabs(companions).
Fatiha** and Isal-e-Sawaab**
Fatiha and Isal-e-Sawaab is a way of sending rewards of good deeds to the souls of our beloved Muslim realtives, friends, scholars, Saints and Prophets who are no longer with us. Fatiha andIsal-e-Sawaab is lawful (Ja’iz) and strictly in accordance with the tenets of Islam. Some people, due to their ignorance, consider Fatiha and Isal-e-Sawaab as Haraam and Bida’at, but they are not right.On Ashura day, Muslims make Fatiha and Isal-e-Sawaab for the souls of Imam Hussain (Allah be pleased with him) and other martyrs of Karbala. For this purpose Muslims prepare sweet dishes, cold drinks (sharbat), fruit etc, and distribute these among relatives, friends and the poor.
Fasting on Ashura Day
Fasting on Ashura day carries a great reward. It is better to fast both 9[SUP]th[/SUP] and 10[SUP]th[/SUP] of Muharram. Our beloved Prophet Muhammad (Peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) has said that this is the most rewarding fast next to Ramadhan. Our beloved Prophet has also said that fasting on Ashuraday will compensate for one year’s sin.
(Tirmidhi Sharif)
It is said that when Prophet Nuh (Allah’s blessings be upon him) landed safely on mount Judi, after the flood, he along with others, including birds and animals, observed a fast on Ashura day to thank Allah
(Tafsir-e-Sawi)
Hazrat Hafsah (Allah be pleased with her) is reported to have said that our beloved Prophet practised the following four things without fail:
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The Hebrew calendar has evolved over time. For example, until the Tannaitic period, the months were set by observation of a new crescent moon, with an additional month added every two or three years to keep Passover in the spring, again based on observation of natural events, namely the ripening of the barley crop, the age of the kids lambs and doves, the ripeness of the fruit trees, and the relation to the Tekufah.[SUP][1]](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/#cite_note-0)[/SUP] Through the Amoraic period and into the Geonic period, this system was displaced by mathematical rules. The principles and rules appear to have been settled by the time Maimonides compiled the Mishneh Torah in the 12th century.
Tishrei is a modern Hebrew month that has no connection to the biblical month of Ethanim which when written was following the crescent moon cycle NOT the hebrew calendar - which is a solar/lunar calendar.
The actual day of Ashura is called Yom Kippur …
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In defense of Abu Huraira (RA)
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Extracts from the above link**
(1) What did Hazrat Umar (RA) to Hazrat Abu Huraira (RA) when he knew of his fabrication of ahadis (as alleged)
“How could 'Umar accuse him of lying against the Messenger of Allah - SAW- and [at the same time] place his in charge of important posts. Had [Aboo Hurayrah] been thought of by 'Umar - radiyallahu 'anhu - as [al-Mareesee] claimed, 'Umar would not have entrusted [Aboo Hurayrah] with the affairs of the Muslims, placing him in charge, time and time again.”
(2) What are the sources for such allegations
Also, ad-Darimee rhetorically asks al-Mareesee, “If you were truthful in your claim, then expose [to us] who narrated such. You will not be able to expose a trustworthy narrator.” (See al-Darimi, Radd al-Imaam al-Darimee 'Uthmaan ibn Sa’eed 'alaa Bishr al-Mareesee al-'Aneed, pp. 132-135.)
(3) Hazrat Umar’s family and authenticity of Abu Huraira
Interestingly, al-'Izzee shows that a number of **grandsons of 'Umar **related hadeeth from Aboo Hurayrah from the Prophet - SAW. Among whom: (a) Salim ibn 'Abd Allah ibn 'Umar, who in Saheeh al-Bukhaaree alone relates three hadeeth; (b) and Hafs ibn 'Asim ibn 'Umar, who in Saheeh al-Bukhaaree alone relates eleven hadeeth. al-'Izzi comments (p. 123), ***"Did they not hear from their fathers that their grandfather considered Aboo Hurayrah a liar?" ***