Re: Were Muslims ever persecuted in India?
So Ravage, does that mean that where people convert to Islam, they will demand their own land? Sounds right though…from phillippines to Israel and all places in between, wherever muslims are in sizeable populations as minorities they can’t just live peacefully with their countrymen. I wonder why is that? I guess…such misery will continue for another 500 years or so..considering the next few hundred years is the domain of the kuffar 
Re: Were Muslims ever persecuted in India?
whether or not that is case its irrelevant to this topic. the two nation theory was in context of india, and Hindus and Muslims. every country has a different dynamic, and so the theory doesnt need to hold in general. for example i can see them living peacefully in canada.
Re: Were Muslims ever persecuted in India?
^ yeah because there is no sizeable minority. But pick a place where they are in a sizeable minority and the "boo hoo..woe is me..need a new homeland bullsiht" comes out. More in the form of terrorism but that is another debate. Shalom.
Re: Were Muslims ever persecuted in India?
make up your mind you indians. one half of you is insisting keralites are indistinguishable, another is saying its impossible for us to be that way.
edit: reopening thread after removing irrelevant stuff. please stay on topic.
Re: Were Muslims ever persecuted in India?
Ravage, when 50% of the above replies are from you, how can you say “after removing the irrelevant stuff”… you sure do like to hear yourself.
I had typed something earlier and found that the thread was closed. Now I feel like suing your ass for what I typed. I will think what I wrote…ok, this is close to what I was thinking about.
Countries should not be divided on the basis of religion – as Bangladesh is an example of that stupid, idiotic, and assbackwards logic. Now if someone wants to breakup a country on the basis of ethnicity, I am all for it. I want Punjab (both east and west), Sindh, Baluchistan, Pashtoonistan, to be all independent countries. I mean, look how we like to kill Shias, Christians, Ahmadis in our own country but make a big deal if some religious minority faces trouble in India. In any event, Indian constitution views all its citizen as equal, and the current PM and President are proof of that. Try doing that in Pakistan.
I have one more question, but I think I will open a new topic for that.
Re: Were Muslims ever persecuted in India?
apologies madhanee for your wasted post. so you're saying you have a four nation theory now?
Re: Were Muslims ever persecuted in India?
Yes Ravage, not just 4 nations, but 1000 nations theory. It’ll be like it had been for thousands of years, and it will be nothing new. All different nations will live under one big Umbrella called Bharat Mata (Mother India)… we will be little piglets and chicks. In other words, we will all be loosely tied under one nation, yet keep our independent identities. Hyphe-nated Indians: I will be Punjabi-Indian, and so forth. When you make religion the basis for something, it is only natural that people fight over it, if you dont make it into basis for something, no one will fight over it. We will fight over other things.
Re: Were Muslims ever persecuted in India?
it doesnt have to be that way and it wont. maha bharat is a pipe dream.
What prompted for establishing an exclusive country for the Muslims?
What prompted for establishing an exclusive country for the Muslims?
Muslims in undivided India
By Amar Jaleel
It is after partition that the Muslims in India have experienced difficult times.
Some of my readers while reacting to my article, ‘Inquisitive minds’ have drawn my attention to the miserable condition of the Muslims in India. They have also drawn my attention to the persecution of the Muslims in the Indian-held Kashmir. It is heartening that there are seekers of knowledge among our younger generation, though few are taking keen interest in the socio-cultural and political history of the subcontinent. Science and technology are no doubt essential for personal progress of a person and a country, but then acquiring in-depth understanding of one’s history is equally essential for a realistic planning for the future. It confirms your identity and saves you from groping in the dark.
Before I discuss with you the social, economic and political position of the Muslims in India prior to partition, let me submit that the article ‘Inquisitive minds,’ dealt with unanswered questions that lurk in the minds of the seekers of the truth, ‘Were Muslims persecuted in undivided India?’ ‘Were Muslims segregated?’ ‘Were they denied equal opportunities in politics, agriculture, trade, commerce, and industry?’ The simple answer was, and is, an emphatic ‘no’.
History tells us that India had remained under the domination of Muslim warriors and the kings for about six hundred years. After the death of Aurangzeb in 1707AD, the Muslim rule over India crumbled. The British wrested sovereignty from the Muslims, and established the British Raj over India, and they ruled for two hundred years. Now, the question arises: when the British, shattered by the Second World War, and massive uprising against them in India were on the verge of vacating the country, what prompted our leaders to demand of the British a portion of India for establishing an exclusive country for the Muslims of the subcontinent?
During the eight hundred years prior to partition of India the Muslims had lived almost a trouble free life. Agriculture was their mainstay. The landlords held enormous land in zamindari and jagirdari. They had their domains where they protected the rulers’ interests. The social and economic condition of the kashtkars, ha’aris, mazariyas, and the farmers was as miserable and as pathetic as theirs is in Pakistan. No tags were attached to the talented, qualified Muslims who vied for openings in trade, commerce, and industry. They were not discriminated against. The Bohris, the Aghakhanis, and the Memons among the Muslims distinguished themselves as traders, and overseas merchants.
Few examples from areas of common interest to all would make reading of this article less cumbersome. Nisar Ali (1930s) is generally considered the fastest bowler India has ever produced. Some believe he was faster than fiery Larwood, the infamous fast bowler of England who had dispatched several Australian batsmen to pavilion on a stretcher during 1932 series between the two countries. Abdul Aziz was an all-time great wicket-keeper of India. He is the person who cultivated Hanif Muhammed into inimitable batsman. Mushtaq Ali, Imtiaz Ahmed, Fazal Mehmood, and Abdul Hafeez Kardar were selected to play for India in the Test series against Don Bradman’s Australian team at Sydney, Adelaide, and Melbourne in 1945-46. The tour was scraped because of the horrible drop scene in the Second World War, the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
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After partition too talented Muslims in India have not been overlooked or discriminated against. Saleem Durrani, the left-handed batsman opened for India in Test matches. His sister (I fail to recall her name) was All India women’s tennis champion, and represented India abroad. Mansoor Ali Khan Patodi, the husband of former superstar Sharmila Tegore, and the father of film star Saif Ali Khan, was captain of Indian cricket team. So was Azharuddin, one of the most successful cricket captains of India. And don’t forget, Syed Kirmani who kept wickets for India for years, and now is a selector of the Indian cricket team. At present, they have Mohammed Kaif, Zaheer Khan, and Irfan Pathan in their Test squad. Calcutta Mohammadans has remained one of the finest Football teams in India during the last 10 decades. From Dilip Kumar to Shahrukh Khan, and Salman Khan to Amir Khan, the Muslims have dominated the silver screen in India. From Naushad to A R Rahman, they are loved, admired and respected in the Indian film industry. The late Mehboob is revered to this day as master craftsman among film directors. Remember Quratul Ain Haider, Khwaja Ahmed Abbas, Ismat Chughtai, Shakeel Badayuni, and Sahir Ludhyanvi, and F M Husain?
Do I sound an Indian spokesman? What I have narrated is history. I haven’t added a word to it from my own. Would I be hanged if I told you that Dr Abul Kalam, the President of India, is a Muslim?
It is after partition of India that the Muslims in that country have experienced difficult times in certain pockets at the hands of fundamentalist Hindus. Problems like Babri Masjid are post-partition phenomenon. Let us not forget that our very own Mehmood Ghaznavi during his 17 assaults on India had played havoc on Hindu temples.
The next time when we meet we will discuss the unanswered question: ‘What prompted our leaders to demand of the British a portion of India for establishing an exclusive country for the Muslims of the subcontinent?’
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Re: What prompted for establishing an exclusive country for the Muslims?
Do I sense an air of nostalgia, or an air of regret, or is it that finally people are beginning to ask the un-askable.
Re: What prompted for establishing an exclusive country for the Muslims?
Hey, I dont understand how can someone just pick prominent Muslim names and present them as example of the glorious Muslim status in the undivided India under the British rule. Interestingly, 99% of the names come from entertainment and sports.
How about what the Muslims in the street felt? How were they treated?
Plus, the premise that problems started after the partition could be applied in reverse. Perhaps, the Muslim leaders of that era had a better sense of the things to come, hence the demand of a separate homeland.
Re: What prompted for establishing an exclusive country for the Muslims?
merged with previous thread on the same topic.
Re: Were Muslims ever persecuted in India?
Sieze the moment of exited curiousity on any subject to solve your doubts, for if you let it pass, the desire may never return and you remain ignorant. William Writ
No there was no religious persecution but then why is Aurenzeb hated so mucb?
Re: Articles by Amar Jaleel on why Partition shouldnt have happened
No there was no religious persecution but then why is Aurenzeb hated so mucb?
Because he was an extremist.. Jis ne na kabhi koi namaz choRi, aur na apne kisi bhai ko choRa.
Re: Were Muslims ever persecuted in India?
Sieze the moment of exited curiousity on any subject to solve your doubts, for if you let it pass, the desire may never return and you remain ignorant. William Writ
What exactly prompted you to re-open a 7-yeard-old thread? You should have opened a new one. By the way, welcome to PA :)