Armed Men Sieze Moscow Theater

UTD, thanks for reading that.
Old Lahori, that's interesting. i apologize, not that i doubt any word of what you have written, but would you happen to have a more detailed article (than the Guardian one that i provided) that explains it a bit more, as i would like to read up more on the context and background you discussed. Many thanks in advance.

According to Russian Deputy Interior Minister Vladimir Vasilyev, 36 of the 50 rebels have been killed by Russian forces; their leader, Movsar Barayev, is among those killed.

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UTD, thanks for reading that.
Old Lahori, that's interesting. i apologize, not that i doubt any word of what you have written, but would you happen to have a more detailed article (than the *Guardian
one that i provided) that explains it a bit more, as i would like to read up more on the context and background you discussed. Many thanks in advance.

According to Russian Deputy Interior Minister Vladimir Vasilyev, 36 of the 50 rebels have been killed by Russian forces; their leader, Movsar Barayev, is among those killed.
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nadia, that would be a lot of work! No I do not have a single article. You would need to go back a few years and start reading the newspapers of that time. The newspapers in the west were not paying any attention whatsoever. It was the Pakistani, Russian, indian, and Iranian papers that were covering the story. I still remember a photograph of Jihadis(all smiles) in a pickup truck starting out from peshawar for chechnya. I was amazed that such news was out in the open. The accompanying article suggested that there were going to be something like 5000 volunteers.

A Russia Victory/ a design!

Russian brigade ‘Alpha’ has freed hostages. Hijackers caught, some are killed.

Now it is time for Islamic press to tell us that there was a design, a Russian or Jew planning to defame the best name of Chechen rebels.

http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=16221

Russian forces flush out Chechen rebels, free hostages

Press Trust of India/Associated Press

Moscow, October 26: All 700 hostages held in the Moscow theatre by Chechen rebels have been released in an operation by Russian special security forces.
At the start of the operation, the Chechen chief hostage-taker Movsar Barayev was killed.

It doesn't matter. Russia cannot hold onto Chechnya forever. For good or bad, Chechnyans are willing to die for their land, Russian conscripts aren't. This conflict has been going on for hunderds of years and will continue for time to come.

high price for nothing...

Russian officials say 67 hostages killed in operation to free more than 700 held by Chechen rebels in Moscow theater.

Old Lahori, will do that. Many many thanks for the info.; i really appreciate it........ i'm 'fraid i'm quite behind on my reading:-(

oh my God. 67 hostages killed. That's dreadful.

A few conflicting reports here - Yahoo cites Russia's Deputy Interior Minister as stating that "some" of the hostage-takers have managed to escape, but BBC states that none of them escaped. All were captured or killed.

Russias special forces are better known in killing hostages, than saving them. They go into a building and shoot everyone. Doesnt surprise me 67 died.

Bravo Russia. First lesson to be learnt here is never cut a deal with terrorists and never accede to their demands.

Ina lillah wa ina illhi larajaoon :(

what would make men and women, young in age do such an act? Of course desperation. Allah ya rahim them all

140 dead...50 rebels and 90 hostages. Kuddos on russias special ops in not killing all 600 hostages.

If think those people who say that the hostage takers are evil and terrorists are really in a dream world. Let's say your whole family was wiped out, and your whole city wiped, and then when you protest you are called a terrorist. tell me what type of justice is this. Half of those in the theatre were women, and widows where they find that they have no other option but to bring the war to Russia. I think if you were in the same situation as these people you would not find that they have done wrong, or even in palestine. They could have easily just wiped out the whole theatre, they allowed many people out, and i think that most of the hostages that died were as a result of the russian forces, and not the hostage takers.

It is also a shame just watching those women who had their eyes covered and probably executed by the brutal russians, Muslim leaders just sit and watch, all they do is 'i condemn this act...etc...etc' well condemn those acts which the non-muslims do, why is it that nobody is stuggling for an end to palestine occupation, kashmir occupation, chechnya occupation, but when only 3000 americans die the whole world just stands up and every single leader condemns this act. when more than hundreds of thousands muslims are being killed without any reason they are labelled as terrorists, they are just left fighting with whatever they have. What is the state of muslims these days? so sad.

Gas ‘killed Moscow hostages’, BBC, 27 October 2002

Almost all the 117 hostages who were killed when Russian troops stormed a Moscow theatre on Saturday died from gas poisoning, it has been admitted.

Only one of those held for three days by Chechen rebels died of gunshot wounds, said Andrei Seltsovsky, chairman of the health committee of the city of Moscow. The statement came as the Russian authorities came under heavy pressure to reveal details about the type of gas used by special forces in their assault on the theatre.

Up to 50 Chechen rebels were killed during the attack, but it remains unclear how many of them died from the effects of the gas, and how many were shot dead. Nearly 650 of the rescued hostages are still being treated for gas poisoning in hospital.

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It is also a shame just watching those women who had their eyes covered and probably executed by the brutal russians, Muslim leaders just sit and watch, all they do is 'i condemn this act...etc...etc' well condemn those acts which the non-muslims do, why is it that nobody is stuggling for an end to palestine occupation, kashmir occupation, chechnya occupation, but when only 3000 americans die the whole world just stands up and every single leader condemns this act. when more than hundreds of thousands muslims are being killed without any reason they are labelled as terrorists, they are just left fighting with whatever they have. What is the state of muslims these days? so sad.
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If think those people who say that the hostage takers are evil and terrorists are really in a dream world. Let's say your whole family was wiped out, and your whole city wiped, and then when you protest you are called a terrorist. tell me what type of justice is this. Half of those in the theatre were women, and widows where they find that they have no other option but to bring the war to Russia. I think if you were in the same situation as these people you would not find that they have done wrong, or even in palestine. They could have easily just wiped out the whole theatre, they allowed many people out, and i think that most of the hostages that died were as a result of the russian forces, and not the hostage takers.
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** M U S L I M S JUST HAVE TO GET U N I T E D.**

Russian journalist, Anna Politkovskaya, one of the few people asked for and allowed inside the theatre by the Chechen rebels, describes her talk with the rebels.

…] There was light in here, and for the first time I could see everything properly. The chief negotiator from their side turned out to be a 29-year-old man called Abubakar who introduced himself as deputy commander of the subversion and intelligence battalion. At the beginning, the conversation was strained. Abubakar seemed nervous at first, but then calmed down. He became angry when he talked about his generation of Chechens, aged 20 to 30, who had been through the two wars and knew nothing except fighting.

“You won’t believe it, but for the first time in many years we feel calm here.”

“In the theatre?”

“Yes. We will die here for the freedom of our land.”

“You want to die?”

“You won’t believe it but we want it very much. Our names will remain in the history of Chechnya.”

I am, of course, a very poor negotiator. I had no idea what to say. And he - who had lived for half a life without taking off his military uniform and with a sub-machine-gun in his hands - he didn’t know how to do it either. That is why we kept slipping into conversations about the meaning of their life, for instance. Some of the other rebels came in to listen.

Abubakar became calm again, put aside the sub-machine-gun, and said he wanted to clear his soul before death. I listened to him attentively but also tried to interject about the plight of the hostages.

“Let the teenagers out,” I suggested.

"No. We suffered at the hands of your people. Now let your people suffer.

“And the parents there, outside the theatre, let them feel what it was like for our parents.”

“At least let us feed the children.”

“No. Our children are hungry - let yours also go hungry.”

Abubakar said he did not expect mercy and that he dreamed of dying in the battlefield. I think he was being honest and frank with me because he was in the presence of a woman the age of his mother. And that is what I told him - that he was the same age as my son and that even in the worst nightmare, I would not see my son cornered by people.

“If he were a Chechen, he would be. And he would also wish to die like myself because of everything that you are doing to us in Chechnya.”

“And if you have to die tomorrow?”

“Praise be to the Almighty.”

Finally, we decide it is time for us to part. We have not agreed on much and I’m not convinced that the talks were in any way effective. But I am no negotiator. We had only agreed that in the coming hours I would carry water and juice into the theatre and I would try to bring them enough for almost 700 people.

I left the theatre in complete silence. Again, I had the feeling that there was no one around me. Lonely jackets and raincoats watched my steps. It was cold, very cold in this dreadful theatre - and there has never been a theatre in the entire world so stuffed with explosives. I just said to myself, “Go and get the juice, look for it, do now only this and don’t think.”

Had I done a lot or a little? A little of course. But I could not do more. When the place was stormed, all the terrorists I had spoken to died. And with them died 67 of the hostages who had drunk my juice before death. Let war be damned.

(I tried and failed | Russia | The Guardian)