This has been one of the major complaints of teams touring the subcontinent from outside the suc-continent that the pitches here are too spinner friendly.Do they have the right to qualm about the pitches,when they themselves prepare seamer friendly wickets when the teams from sub-continent tour there??Also the commentators(not the sub-continent ones) criticize spinner friendly pitches in sub-continent and term the seamer friendly ones as being good pitches.Is it coz most players from outside the sub-continent aren’t good players of spin or some other reason???
I would like to get view from fellow guppies regarding this matter…
I think its just excuses, South Africa have proven in the past that they can beat teams from subcontinent in subcontinent.
Being an international player means that you have to adopt to foreign conditions anywhere in the world.
Teams from subcontinent has produced some of the greatest fast bowlers of all time (wait a minute, let me make it more clear)
Teams for subcontinent (Pakistan only) have produced some of the greatest bowlers of all time on spinner friendly tracks while guys like Shane Warne who have been pampered on seamer friendly pitches have proved to be the best.
Every country does that, its called the home field advantage. The bounce on Australain pitches is insane. Much higher then anywhere else in the world. Batsman from all over the world find it hard to deal with when they first land there. Bowlers have a hard time with the length of their delivery's. But thats what everyone have to deal with. Similarly sub continenet pitches have always been spinner friendly and our batsmen and bowlers are familiar with those conditions so it just makes sense for us to make those kind of pitches.
Have you watched good games in the sub-continent? Sure I have watched some very keenly fought competitive games. The type of wicket is just one factor.
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*Originally posted by UMAIR316: *
I think its just excuses, South Africa have proven in the past that they can beat teams from subcontinent in subcontinent.
Being an international player means that you have to adopt to foreign conditions anywhere in the world.
Teams from subcontinent has produced some of the greatest fast bowlers of all time (wait a minute, let me make it more clear)
Teams for subcontinent (Pakistan only) have produced some of the greatest bowlers of all time on spinner friendly tracks while guys like Shane Warne who have been pampered on seamer friendly pitches have proved to be the best.
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Teams of Sub-continent(India) hav also produced some of the world's best batsmen who hav produced results away from home as well...but i am referring to the public reaction tht seamer friendly wickets are considered as good competitive wickets and spinner friendly as favouring one side...and not so competitive.Also as Umair316 above mentioned...the adaptation of foreign players to alien conditions...but its much easier for batsmen to adjust than a bowler.
P.S. Shane Warne hasn't produced favourable figures for himself when bowling in India as he has anywhere else in the world.
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Teams of Sub-continent(India) hav also produced some of the world's best batsmen who hav produced results away from home as well
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Their results are still not as good outside as they are in the sub continent. Dont get me wrong here, I am a big fan of Sachin and rate him as one of the best ever batsman but even he has better record home compared to away from home in both forms of the game. Comapred to that some of the great fast bowlers from Pakistan have a better record away from Pakistan.
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..but i am referring to the public reaction tht seamer friendly wickets are considered as good competitive wickets and spinner friendly as favouring one side...and not so competitive.
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I thought you were refering to the major complaints of touring sides plus the commentators who are not from the sub continent.
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Also as Umair316 above mentioned...the adaptation of foreign players to alien conditions...but its much easier for batsmen to adjust than a bowler.
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I disagree to that. Its not easy for any of them but batsman can find it a little more difficult as their one little mistake cost them their wicket. Its very hard for someone who played in the sub continent to switch to conditions in England or Autralia. In England the ball has a little higher bouce compared to the sub continent and it moves more in the air and off the seam due to over cast conditions. In Australia the bounce in a lot higher then anywhere in the world. The bowler can get whacked around but a couple of balls at the right spot and they could be right back. I think its harder for the batsmen than the bowlers.
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P.S. Shane Warne hasn't produced favourable figures for himself when bowling in India as he has anywhere else in the world.
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Well Pakistan cant stay behind India in anycase. So lets take the honour of Warne's favourable average here too. Warne has decent test figures in Pakistan and not so decent in India. But Warne has decent ODI figures in India and not so decent in Pakistan.
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*Originally posted by UMAIR316: *
I think its just excuses, South Africa have proven in the past that they can beat teams from subcontinent in subcontinent.
Being an international player means that you have to adopt to foreign conditions anywhere in the world.
Teams from subcontinent has produced some of the greatest fast bowlers of all time (wait a minute, let me make it more clear)
Teams for subcontinent (Pakistan only) have produced some of the greatest bowlers of all time on spinner friendly tracks while guys like Shane Warne who have been pampered on seamer friendly pitches have proved to be the best.
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The Game Responds:
*Good post; specially about the South Africans proving the theory wrong. The media these days also hypes the "unfair" pitch conditions too much; those monkeys. Really. People, That Is All.*
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*Originally posted by Corporate Spy: *
Teams of Sub-continent(India) hav also produced some of the world's best batsmen who hav produced results away from home as well...but i am referring to the public reaction tht seamer friendly wickets are considered as good competitive wickets and spinner friendly as favouring one side...and not so competitive.Also as Umair316 above mentioned...the adaptation of foreign players to alien conditions...but its much easier for batsmen to adjust than a bowler.
P.S. Shane Warne hasn't produced favourable figures for himself when bowling in India as he has anywhere else in the world.
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Not only India but some of the other teams in the world in the past have produced some of the greatest batsmen, take Australia for example, they grew up on bowler friendly conditions, and they have the most dominating batsman in the world today (Gilli, Hayden, Ponting, Symonds, Martyn) etc.
So I don't think having quality batsmen in the team depends on local conditions.
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Teams of Sub-continent(India) hav also produced some of the world's best batsmen who hav produced results away from home as well...but i
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U mite wanna re-phrase that. Great batsman have come in great supplies from both Pakistan and India. But great fast bowlers have come almost exclusively from Pakistan.
As for the question on subcontinental pitches, its true the goras whine alot abt the spinner-freindly nature of pitches but its all just plain whining. But at the same time its also a fact that pitches in sub-cont. are not competitive enough because of their "slow" nature. Bowlers are not often able to dismiss the other side twice in a test.
I think it might all be just changing.
Recent triangular tournament in Dambulla, Srilanka was a bowler's paradise.
But the fact that Pakistani fast bowlers have done wonders on both Indian and Pakistani tracks tells you that any team can be benefitted.
But the fact of the matter, not many teams have bowlers like Wasim, Waqar or SHoaib.
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I think it might all be just changing.
Recent triangular tournament in Dambulla, Srilanka was a bowler's paradise.
But the fact that Pakistani fast bowlers have done wonders on both Indian and Pakistani tracks tells you that any team can be benefitted.
But the fact of the matter, not many teams have bowlers like Wasim, Waqar or SHoaib.
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ha ha ha ha Umair...such a pompous a$$... :0)
you sure know how to entertain..I sincerely feel that you make these statements purposefully...
Getting jealous are we? ;)
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But the fact of the matter, not many teams have bowlers like Wasim, Waqar or SHoaib.
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But they fact of matter is inspite of having Wasim,Waqar and Shoib that team manages to do just better than bangladesh in Worldcup.
:)
The fact that matter is having Wasim, Waqar and co, Pakistan still has the best home test record, better then India. :nahnah:
and everything else.
Also inspite of having self proclaimed best batsmen in the world, India still couldn’t win a series away for almost 2 decades.
Did I say anything about Indian batting lineup. 
But you said about bowling lineup and I was just responsing to your tall claim.
Cheers baby.
Everyone knows PAK was having a bad patch in the WC and you can’t just state fact on the basis of one tourny. You will keep shouting till PAK bounce back or else if you have the guts to talk about all the matches than do so. Now go tell your big batsmen to win a test series abroad, its been freakin 17 loooooong years. 
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Getting jealous are we? ;)
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dude look at the pappu's name. "bitter" need i say more. by the way, i saw tomsawyer posting in perfect english right here in this site. whatever english course he took must be the greatest course in the world. tom where are you, we miss you buddy. this forum will die without you.
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Did I say anything about Indian batting lineup. :)
But you said about bowling lineup and I was just responsing to your tall claim. :)
Cheers baby.
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We were talking about different conditions and how teams with fast bowlers have been effective on subcontinental pitches, where the heck in the world this Bangali thing comes from.
Please keep your cheapshots to your ownself and don't spoil this thread.