Are You Judging me....

Its natural to have mood swings…some days you r just nice and decent and some days you are totally Out…Being in either state you are somehow potraying a part of your personality. Intentionally or unintentionally people do make impressions about you based on how they perceive you…Different people have different criterias for judging others…Most people jump to conclusions quickly…on the other hand some people take their time and get to know the person before making their impressions…and there is a group who believes in not forming any kind of impressions at all. I’m wondering which one works the best for you?
Anyway, the question is whether it is fair to judge people based on what you know (little or a lot) about them…

ciao
BoSS

Sallam Boss,

I think that we'd all like to be in the category who desides to get to know someone before they make any judegments and hell I bet there are even a few of us who'd like to be amongst those who never make judgements about others at all... However Although many would like to think that judgement is one sided, I personally think that both sides play a big role in the whole 'judgement' thing.

(Bear with me yaar.. this could get long but it has a point !)

You see,IMO, the thing about judegement is that its foundations lie on the human need for order. I don't think there's any person on this planet who likes dis-order and chaos. We like our world to fit into some kind of order. Everything has a place and a name, a box for everything.

So when we make judgements about someone, what we're actually doing is making a box to slot them in, ie a box that says.. He/she's Nice... He/she's a liar... *He/She's a bad person * and so on... and when you have made a box for someone, depending on what that box is labled as.. will determine how you act towards/treat that individual.

Of course, just because someone has been placed in a particular box does not mean they will stay in there for ever. As time goes bye, once you get to know that person a bit better, in your sub-concious, you will move them to a different box... which could be better or worse than the last one. (is this making any sense ??).

So even though you may have placed them in the 'wrong' box to start with, it is Still a neccessary process, since it regulates/determines your behaviour towards them.

As humans, our emotions define the world we live in, we cannot go through life interacting with everything and everyone in a cold, calculated manner. Wether we like it or not, our emotions will be involved and they determine how passionate/sensative we are to each and every scenario of our lives.

Remember I said 'judgement' was a two sided process ??. We'll it's two sided because everyone (IMO) will hide behind a mask depending on where they are and who they're with.

When anyone is trying to break into a social circle,for example, they will always be 'nice' and 'supportive' to everyone around them. They will try their best not to piss anyone off or to start any controvercial arguments etc.. This can be considered as hiding behind a mask.
The social circle can be anything from new friends/new job/new partner etc..

of course a few months/years down the road as they get to know the group better and vice versa, they will slowly tear down these masks and begin to display their 'true colours'.. and now doubt looking at it from the perspective of the group, they will initially base their judgements on the 'masks' they see and as they get to know the individual they will ammend/update those judgements.

I bet you weren't expecting this length of relpy, were you ???


Death is only the Beginning.

[This message has been edited by Arch-Angel (edited November 19, 2000).]

I bet you weren't expecting this length of relpy, were you ???<<<

Dude actually I wasn't expecting any replies at all ;-) but thanks for writing. I liked your analogy of creating a box for others for reference purposes....and how we put people in a suitable box based on our interactions and experiences with them. It seems like this 'need for order', hence judgement in this case is a necessity for our conscience and it can't be blocked.
Also, you wrote judgement is a two sided process which is quite true....All you know about me is what I show you i.e I could be behind a mask....It brings up another interesting topic i.e the social obligation to live a lie to form your desired box in other people's minds. A general trend towards new jobs/ new friends and our showcase behavior is quite pitiful and cynical. How comfortable are we putting on a show and playing it safe all the time...oh well ;-)

ciao
BoSS

I usually start everyone with a 100% marks. Then it depends on that person whether he/she holds that ranking or not.

First and foremost… excellent post and fantastic topic! I might change roles while responding to this, i.e. giving u analyses as an insider and sometimes as an outsider. I mean, the one who’d form impressions, and judge, or the one who’d be formed impressions against and be judged. So hopefully we don’t get lost in between the lines, cuz obviously readers can’t help feeling that way, since the nature of my threads always seem to have that effect on us. :smiley: j.k.

*Its natural to have mood swings…some days you r just nice and decent and some days you are totally Out…Being in either state you are somehow portraying a part of your personality. *

Yes it varies from person to person how they intend to perceive others around them. Now how I view others around me, BoSS, would be specifically based on my nature. Nature of one plays a great role here (when it comes to judgements). Yes, for that is the factor which initiates one’s personal outlook on external aspects. Now lets look at the part, where how one’s nature builds up to begin with.
There are several attributes that are responsible for building one’s temperament. Eg:
The atmosphere one was brought up in, or the experiences one goes through in their prospective lives, and the knowledge one may have acquired about the human species, plays an important feature in the overall concept, when it comes to forming judgements accordingly.

Intentionally or unintentionally people do make impressions about you based on how they perceive you…

BoSS yes agreed! For its only natural for people to form certain impressions. It’s a part of life which gives us the sense to differentiate one person from another. It makes us feel different about one compared to another. It helps us discover the pieces of the overall puzzle of one complete picture. So if its done intentionally or unintentionally, it helps quenching the natural “curiosity” …. which is initiated in our brains right from the moment when a new person approaches us. No matter who he/she is, if in any way somehow he/she crosses our path, we do have a little detective in us, who’d want to observe or to analyse that person. Okay and perhaps it varies in terms of who that is, or what that person is to us. It could be our new friend, our boss, our co-worker, our fellow class mate, our neighbour etc…etc. :slight_smile:

Different people have different criterias for judging others…Most people jump to conclusions quickly…on the other hand some people take their time and get to know the person before making their impressions…and there is a group who believes in not forming any kind of impressions at all.

Oh wow! Group who believes in not forming any kind of impressions??? Are u serious! Man… life for those people might be such a bliss. Perhaps they’d be angles, or they cud be vice versa. :slight_smile: I’d like to spend more time with such people to get to know them better.
Now BoSS see, above was an example of how someone may form their impressions about people. While reading the first few lines, it’d seem to the reader that its one of the quick to conclusion ppl, but then, at the last line, it’d say… okay its one of the group that wud wait and see first. (ahem, was this example relevant to ur questions at all? :confused: sowwie if not)

  • I’m wondering which one works the best for you? *

BoSS, for the wise ones… just right balance works. U’ve specified three types of groups. I think a mixture of every one of it works. For its hard to form judgements or impression while acting just in one specific frame, for like u’ve stated right in the start that ppl have mood swings, and some days they’d be feeling all blue, other days just perky, other days just not into any thing at all. One has to do a bit of multitasking with every one of it, if one really really wants to discover or know someone when it comes to patching the overall picture. For it doesn’t makes sense to form a fixed impression or to judge someone just because of a few little aspects you’ve come to know about them. When it comes to me, sigh… I can take from one week to one century forming my opinions about people. But u know personally, if you spent 3 days with someone, u’d know them well enough, however to completely know all their negatives and positives spending 15 days with them or okay to be safe, three to four months are ideal to form a firm impression about anyone.

*Anyway, the question is whether it is fair to judge people based on what you know (little or a lot) about them… *

Is it fair? That’s a killer question BoSS! Yes, and No! Yes because it helps us sometimes determine our own individualities. No, because what we personify them as can be wrong, if not based on complete knowledge. For example, some people may act different and they might not be as you might have perceived them as. And their reactions of justifications can have reason which we ourselves not might be able to comprehend due to some miss conception.
If ppl know only a little bit about them, then that’s not fair to the one who is being judged. But if that person is well known extensively, and I mean really in greater depth and all extremes, if one has completely figured out all the remaining pieces of the puzzle, which exemplifies the overall personality of that person, then to form an impression accordingly is legitimate enough I’d say.

As always…
Adios!
DB:)

[This message has been edited by Daysee Behna (edited November 19, 2000).]

No one else has anything to say?

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C’mon folks… this is a good topic.

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Originally posted by Dopey:
I usually start everyone with a 100% marks. Then it depends on that person whether he/she holds that ranking or not.
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exactly! me too


** Of all the things I've lost^^^I miss my MIND the most!**

Boss ..
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How comfortable are we putting on a show and playing it safe all the time..
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yaar, the thing about 'putting on shows' or masks is that, IMO, for most people, I think they put on a good show/play it safe for reasons of acceptance and has alot to do with up-bringing and self esteem.

I would imagine that for those individuals who, for one reason or another did not receive the love/attention they required as children, they will do anything just to feel a part of something and gain acceptance.

Where as those individuals who have plenty of confidence in themselvs and have never found a lack of affection/attention, will more than likely show their true colours rather than try to please people, basically they won't be all that concerned about what people think.

The need to be loved/accepted is a part of our very nature. If that need is fullfilled, then the individual will not feel the need to be a part of every social group and be accepted by everyone. But if that need is lacking then they will no doubt look for that fullfillment in every encounter during their lives.

This seems to be drifting in to Psychology !.

I mean thats not to say that everyone who wasn't loved as a child will look for that affection from elsewhere. Some have been known to become cold, avoid getting 'close' to people and even go as far as being hostile towards others.

Of course some people may be playing it safe, not because there is a lack of something in their lives, but simply because they don't like confrontation ??.

Basically there could be a million and one reasons why we hide behind masks. But the conclusion of all this is that judging others and hiding behind masks in order to fit in, are both a part of who we are, it goes hand-in-hand with our emotions.

I don't think anyone can 'not judge' others. It defines the relationship you have with those around you and even if its something as small as 'that guys hair is scruffy...' .. you have already, without knowing it.. started the 'judging' process.

thats my opinion... feel free to disagree !


Death is only the Beginning.

Archy :smiley: Angel j.k… I like ur reasoning behind why the mask cud come in display.
However there’s one mask that is the killer amongst them all, when it comes to me. Why do ppl choose to be quiet and dodge others when it comes to certain questions? Totally irelevent question? Oh no, okay then never mind.

However, I like ur little piece about being deprieved of recieving affirmation from others while growing up, that there’s nothing lacking in the particular mode of behaviour how one wud like to go about in their prespective lives.

I think most of the judgement calls comes in play, due to the need of fitting into the overall boxes, or the picture as the majority has painted.

But then again… giving into being judged by others, wud never help one establishing his/her own specific individuality. Which can be brutal. For the inner peace may be lost of that particular person, since their mind may always be conflicting trying to figure out their own identity?! NO? :confused:

sigh Be your self ya’ll! Believe me, it gives u a solid reason to live, and love thy self before u expect it from others. We shud learn to chase away the shadows nurturing in our souls, due to some past experience or either due to some other degrading event that might have occured. However, learn to accept what has happened and yet is to happen which is not in our control to avoid from happening. BUt then again as they say Mind over matter… can help us in our ordeals.

And remember this! No one likes a crying, depressed person, who lacks the ability to choose their dreams or doesn’t has the ability to establish thier own identity. Just be urself, and to hell with what others say. PPl love to crush others all the time!
Not sunfin new…!

Sigh… there goes again me and lecturin :stuck_out_tongue:

DBz outta here!
Adios! :slight_smile:

ps. Excuse all the miss typed spelling and so many words I’ve eaten, but I’m in a hurry, so bye..bye.!

[This message has been edited by Daysee Behna (edited November 21, 2000).]

Why do ppl choose to be quiet and dodge others when it comes to certain questions? <<<
yes it is a kind of a mask....I wear this mask quite often because I prefer it over immature confrontation. In my eyes its not dodging but a mature way of disagreeing.

For the inner peace may be lost of that particular person, since their mind may always be conflicting trying to figure out their own identity?! NO? <<<
Not entirely true...If there is a conflict then it means the person has an identity or a personality.

No one likes a crying, depressed person, who lacks the ability to choose their dreams or doesn't has the ability to establish thier own identity.<<<
True.

ciao
BoSS

DB,

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But then again... giving into being judged by others, wud never help one establishing..
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I don't think that you can actually 'give in' to being judged by others. I doubt that anyone has any power over others regarding wether or not they are judged.. You do have some control on HOW you are judged (the Masks thing comes in handy here !).. but no control on IF you are judged.. (make any sense ?)

However, if by 'giving in' you mean to say that one should not accept the judgement of others about themselves, then once again it comes down to how much confidence/self esteem you have. Those with low self esteem will almost always give into what others think of them.. they will always try to fit into a picture of themselves which was painted by another person.

As you mentioned that you should love/accept yourself for who you are before you expect it from others, which I agree with. But that is so much easier said than done and requires a major battle between what you know and what your emotions tell you.

Personally, I think that Judging others and being judged by others, are both deeply influenced by sociological and psychological factors. 'Judgement' isn't as shallow as people think it is.


Death is only the Beginning.

Boss!
This is a hard & confusing thread!

However,
it plays with the head so it's all worth it.

[This message has been edited by kohal (edited November 22, 2000).]

Hey Ya :)

Excellent points mentioned Arch and BoSS.

So lets see... hmm...db jumps right back into the battle field Naraa-e-takbeeer.... Echos... ** Allah-O-Akbar!** j.k. :D
getting serious :0| <- thats a serious face rite?

*** posted by BoSS...**

yes it is a kind of a mask....I wear this mask quite often because I prefer it over immature confrontation. In my eyes its not dodging but a mature way of disagreeing.*

Interesting... so that means... there are certain masks which may come in handy to us, while dealing with ppl outside. smiles
Don't u guys think, that perhaps we play multiple roles which kind of ties in with our entired persolity, and all those characteristic builds just one person?
For I know, I can certainly say that yes, I may be a different person being outside, and an entirely different individual while being at home.

What I get confused about is that, some ppl have a hard time accepting them, when they've made this set impression about them due to whatever their resonings may be. And some just can't help wanting to stick to the image they've had about them right in the first place. As soon as they see that particular image breaking down, they want to deny it.

I remember, when I was a teenager, I used to hold on firmly to the first impressions or certain image of a person that my own inner self wud initiate. I remember setting certain limitations for people. I mean, I wud have expectations and wud expect ppl behaving in certain ways. When ever they'd do something opposite, or whenever they'd screw up, the image that I'd have wud shatter in an instant. I've always had a hard time trying to mend that broken crack in the mirror that'd occur. I was against the phenomena of giving ppl a 2nd chance. I'd stay friends but won't feel the same closeness I would as I had before. Same wud be the case with relative.

Now, that has changed altogether for me. FOr which I'm quite thankful for. However, now tell me either of you... what shall be the suitable justification at this instance regarding my former question right in the beging? I mean... the fact that once a person finds a person not meeting certain expectations, why is it hard for mortals to accept the differences? I mean not just that we do that with others, but we do that to our selves as well. We sometimes look into the mirror, but the reflection we see back staring at us, some of us don't love that person. Why? For I guess man himself is his worst enemy...no? If yes, then how to settle the dispute between the two?

Not entirely true...If there is a conflict then it means the person has an identity or a personality.

Whoa! Wait a min. Very provocative. How can there a conflict, when the person does have an identity or personality? Hmm... doesn't coflicts usually arise on the bases of contradictions? If there is an identity BoSS, then tell me how does the conflict comes in play? What is the conflict about? A conflict can happen, while trying to determine one set of establishment, and the need to have an identity and then trying to reason out that which is the best way to go. So say further how the conflict takes place when there is a individuality? Okay I'm game...

>>>No one likes a crying, depressed person, who lacks the ability to choose their dreams or doesn't has the ability to establish thier own identity.<<<
True.

smiles but u know what. The person at that stage, doesn't wants ppl around them at that instant, so it does gives a brighter side to him/her, for they need to figure themselves our before they're ready for the world to like them and invite them towards the glory of life.

Posted by Arch
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However, if by 'giving in' you mean to say that one should not accept the judgement of others about themselves, then once again it comes down to how much confidence/self esteem you have. Those with low self esteem will almost always give into what others think of them.. they will always try to fit into a picture of themselves which was painted by another person.*

Agreeing....yes, yes...and thats exactly what bothers me, is that how some ppl (and again not everyone) have a hard time to merge from the universal ocean of entire human race, and perhaps stand out from the remaining portion of the mortals. Ahem! Man, that didn't made much sense. Did it! humpf
Okay what I really am saying is that... some ppl have flat personalities? WHy? I mean, what initiates the sense of lower self esteem? (does that goes back to the phase of not getting enuf approval or affection from close ones in order to build a higher self image?) Okay what I really mean to say is that, do ppl really need the approval, confidence and be admired by the ones around them in order to have their inner confidence boosted up? Cudn't it be initiated by the inner self somehow with out looking for help from outside?

As you mentioned that you should love/accept yourself for who you are before you expect it from others, which I agree with. But that is so much easier said than done and requires a major battle between what you know and what your emotions tell you.

Ah! Agreed. Yes I agree with the part about being acknowledged about one's own deep inner most self, before merging back up to the surface, facing the outsiders strongly.
Been there done that! And I think any one can do it. THe irony is that, many of us just go about in life without realizing the essence of the fact that we've to discover our own potentials some time down the lane. For if we don't... don't u guys think, life is a waste?

Personally, I think that Judging others and being judged by others, are both deeply influenced by sociological and psychological factors. 'Judgement' isn't as shallow as people think it is.

Gives u a biggg pat Arch! Thank you so much! U'd not believe how much I've appreciated ur words here. They're brilliant.
See that last sentence of ur, 'Judgement' isn't as shallow as ppl think it is. Exactly!
A very, very worthy point brought in open, which is worth considering and I think we shud have that in the back of our mind. For its so natural.... the second we notice we're being judged, we start disliking it. For it can't be that bad as we think. It cud be for the better.

Till then,
Tah Tah!
DB:D

[This message has been edited by Daysee Behna (edited November 23, 2000).]

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Originally posted by BoSS:
>>Why do ppl choose to be quiet and dodge others when it comes to certain questions? <<<

yes it is a kind of a mask....I wear this mask quite often because I prefer it over immature confrontation. In my eyes its not dodging but a mature way of disagreeing.

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Yo yo, BoSS mon ami, ever wonder that may be the problem is us and not them. :) May be we are so critical of ourselves that we take everything personally. May be no one is out there pointing fingers at us, may be it's just paranoia?

behnaa was only making a general statement and u took it as if it was directed at you. It's true that there are ppl out there who love to criticize day in and day out but not everyone falls under that category. May be we just have to stop being so defensive.

that said and done. :D

Yes, ppl do pass judgements, and to be honest, it's necessary in a way. Keeps people in line. Pressures from society are necessary to guide some of us, if we didn't have a constant fear of being punished by the law, what would hold us back from committing a crime? Not all of us have the strongest morals and that's where those annoying gawking eyes come in to play, they let u know that whatever u do is being watched, so u better be good.

sigh. i don't know what i am saying anymore. i think i twisted this into the conversation that was happening on chat the other night about people fasting and stuff.

[This message has been edited by hayaa (edited November 23, 2000).]

DB thankx for that post sis :) , so from what everyone has written, would it be safe to conclude the following ?...

1) Judging and being judged are both impacted upon by upbringing/psychological profile and sociological factors.

2) We all wear 'masks' and present different/limited portions of ourselves, depending on the situation we find ourselves in.

3) Although judgement can be harsh and even wrong at times, it's a necessary part of who we are and determins our interaction with the world around us.

4) The ability to give a true projection of who you are, is strongly related to how you perceive yourself, (self esteem/confidence) and the manner in which you were raised (love/affection....)

I think that's the jist of it.. unless anyone would like to add more..

Boss, bro this is your thread so I think it would only be fitting that You should say the last words !.


Death is only the Beginning.

Arch... Thanks for the summary. Its precise and concise. I agree with ur mentioned points.
However like u've said... its up do da BoSS to really give the conclusion of it. So BoSS please do reply... what have we concluded here?

Adios!
Always...DB:)

ps. Kohal, I LOVED ur input! NOthing is more reasonable than a simple explaination that u've given. Now thats input! :)

Arch Angel wrote:
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1) Judging and being judged are both impacted upon by upbringing/psychological profile and sociological factors.

2) We all wear 'masks' and present different/limited portions of ourselves, depending on the situation we find ourselves in.

3) Although judgement can be harsh and even wrong at times, it's a necessary part of who we are and determins our interaction with the world around us.

4) The ability to give a true projection of who you are, is strongly related to how you perceive yourself, (self esteem/confidence) and the manner in which you were raised (love/affection....)
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Last words :) (I liked what u wrote)

ciao
BoSS