Azkar u'll have to pay me overtime for working on a holiday....
...and since reasonable ppl like sabah, m22(u sounds so familiar:-P)and few others want to discuss this topic, i am not closing this thread....sigh
Now Sir Jaawan,
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A NOTE TO MODERATOR:
Naik larki mujey paata hia app ko kharishh ho rahee hia but please could you not edit my posts again...i know it should be in poetry, please do not do it again,
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Dear Sir, as u know that these forums are "Moderated Forums", ur request for not editing ur posts is not reasonable...Moderated forums means that members and posters'll have to abide by certain rules.
Now there are two kinds of rules here....
Rules by Admins.( we all have to abide by those rules)
Rules by Moderators. (these rules might be different from forum to forum.) Every Mod has his/her own set of rules and ofcourse u'll have to respect those rules while posting in a certain forum.
now i know its my fault that i have not posted the guidelines for this forum clearly but i have been telling u guys again n again that sexist, racist and biased comments or remarks are not allowed. And mister jaawaan i have talked to u about this in da chat room too...and i have told u that the reason i edited ur post was not that i was taking some female member's side. The reason was that u had made some sexist remarks in that post.
if i recall correctly it was some thing like this...
"All women on net are whores, hookers, prostitutes..."
yes u used all three words and surprisingly u spelled all three right:-P
so that was the reason i edited the post...i hope thats clear now...
...And to make the long story short...the bottom line is that these forums are moderated, and If u don't like moderated forums or u don't like to play by the rules, u shud look for some other place which suites ur needs best.
Ok time to open and NOT go around the words, and PEOPLE PLEASE READ ALL THE POSTS AND HOW THEY FOLLOW EACH OTHER BEFORE REPLYING, DO NOT READ THE LAST POST AND REPLY YOU LL BE CONFUSE AND WILL GET MORE CONFUSE THANK YOU>! IF YOU CANT UNDERSTAND SOMETHING, DO NOT READ IT
Dear imran sahib YES i think women who LET them selves be used by other people do NOT desever my respect or respect of any other honorably alive human being. Now if you are a shaarif women than off course i have very HIGH LEVEL of respect for you. But women who take money from a man and than let him use her for few hours and let her go and never see her again, is bad bad and VERY bad and women like those should be put in fire here on earth.<and i do NOT have any respect for those women.
Women are not things(astagfiruallah) but those who are being used by men in west today are things, and only things get used, not a human being. Please do look at it from both side, and NOT just from your side which is pretty blury.
Naik are you saying that we have to put on our ideas which do not conflict with ideas that you hold? Puhlessssssssssssss yaawwwnnn that is NOT moderator ship missy…that is abuse of power, we should be alowed to express our view, of what ever kind and you should be able to accept them or disagree with them and NOT make them illegal to post them.
I never said ALL women miss niak bibi…i said MOST, there is different between saying ALL and MOST(DO NOT CHANGE WHAT I WRITE, if you edit something pleaes make a note of it on how is it written) ALL out of 100 and MOST of 100 <have big difference.
See how you gave lip service to people who express the ideas that you hold, subha and Me22 etc. That is like taking side and not being fair. and yes i know how to spell those words right because i know how they are spelled in english, luckyly now you know how to spell them! Thank you.
As i said before please do not make it a personal thing or problem, me or anyone else is not blaiming YOU for actions of others, just learn to blaim your self for your own actions and we ll be fine. This is topic is about womin in general in the west. We are NOT talkig about particular women or your friends. Hope we can ALL just argue as friends.
Depending on what perspective we use there can be an argument made that many women in the west may not be considered honorable from a desi perspective.
However, I would rather chance that a greater number of women be considered less "honorable" by a group and yet women as a whole have the ability to contribute towards the society.
What is the boundary here by which we decide that western women are less honorable, would that be sleeping around, would that be skimpy clothing...what would it be. Going further what does it represent to us.
I mean by that standards arabs can look at the bellys of aunties in saaris and blouses, as well as the fitted kurtas and choori daar pajamas of desi girls and consider them less honorable than someone dressed in an abbaya in saudi arabia. of course, we would get more than just a little upset if some arab pointed that out.
I have noticed that you are always criticizing women: desi women should not be on the Internet, women are flirting with men at parties, most Western women sleep with a different person each night, desi women wear high heels to may their butts look big, women have abortions early so that...I won't even repeat your phrase here, girls should not be allowed to chat, etc.
From reading your posts I get the feeling that you are only concerned about the behavior of women. You never rant and rave about Western men who sleep around, Pakistani men who are unfaithful or engage in premarital sex, although it is common knowledge that men engage in this more than women IN BOTH CULTURES. So why the onesidedness in your posts?
Does your version of Quran say that this behavior is somehow worse when women do it? Does it say that sex outside of marriage isn't as bad when men do it? If not, then why do you ignore the other half of the story? Just wondering...
Zara jee those are different posts and have been discussed before, and i don not want to get into that now.
You wana talk about men in west go ahead talk about it make another post and sure i have no problem with it, unlike most women in here, who are just furious why we men are talking about such topic.
We are talking about women in west, and we have to talk about women in west, not men. Read the topic.
Jawaan,
I did read the topic. That is precisely my point. Your topics quite often involve the things that women do wrong, the things women should not be allowed to do, why certain women do certain things, etc.
Yet you never discuss the fact that men do all of these things, arguably more than women. It is as if it does not disturb you when men do it. That is my point, and by not even understanding what I am trying to say you have confirmed that to you it is irrelevant.
zara you are free to make a post about men in west and discuss about it....dont rave and complain to me.
And yes bad things shouldnt be done by no one, not just women. If its bad, and its done by a women, its still bad, you just have to realize that its bad, and agree that its bad, you cant call something bad a OK thing to do just because a women does it.(bad things include, sleeping around, sex in public, besharmmii, behayaii, sex with animals<<<that is not cause of men) you should blaim those women who do those kinda things, not me or any other man, we dont control you, you control your selves.
Women is # 1 fitna!!! Its in hadith or quran i believe. <>
Women is #1 fitna? I'm sure that's in Hadith, not Quran, because I don't believe God would ever actually say such a thing. But obviously that describes your frame of mind to a tee.
Things that you post about women tend to be exaggerated and quite insulting. That is one of the reasons people get annoyed. And of course it is women who get annoyed, because it is women that you often insult. Women having sex with animals in the West? Hmm? A widespread occurrence you think? I believe that it is usually men that engage in that custom, as well?!? Although I do not believe it is that prevalent.
Zara jee...first of that poem i did not write, second, i put the barden of responsiblity and blaim on both sexes equaly not just women or men. I do not rave and blaim others of my actions and i do NOT over look whats right according to my religion.
I think you have a problem with this post because you are a women in west...well if you are a GOOD/sharif/self-respecting women in west than you are not a target here.
Here is one example of fitna.
As i said i believe that is in hadith or quran.
Lets say there is a group of men, living and working very peacfully. And than suddenly a half-naked woman is put to work with them, now what do you think will happen? Will they work or will they try to do something with the women? YES it will creat fights among the men, and it will creat more violent behaviors. Do you know what fitna means?
If you dont do something bad, no one will insult you its simple as that, if you do something bad, than there is possiblity that someone will say something bad to you and you will get offended, not because you are Right just because the other person disagrees with you.
Anyways i think you are stuck on "zid" and not on any logical argument i guess you do not like being told you are wrong.
Good Luck
Jaawan
Lets say there is a group of men, living and working very peacfully. And than suddenly a half-naked woman is put to work with them, now
what do you think will happen? Will they work or will they try to do something with the women? YES it will creat fights among the men, and
it will creat more violent behaviors. Do you know what fitna means?
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hehehehe, I am desperately looking forward to the day when Jawan will start working in the West. I feel mercy for his prospective employers.....good for lawyers though, I see lot of law suits coming up:)
Jawan when are you going to realize that good character, good soul, good behaviour is all about you and up to you not to others. Do you understand anything about controlling ones mind, urges and bad thoughts? and not to act on them? if you have not....too bad you will learn soon when you start working. Unless you are willing to sell ice cream driving your own truck alone all day long...oh no what a bad idea that is....then you will be selling ice cream to half naked(and some times totally naked girls and boys)...that will be too bad.
I have not given my personal views about the topis yet...and i am not upset coz of some personal reason....
We have got so many complaints against u...and as being a MOd of this Forum i am trying to create an environment here where our other fellow members don't feel threatened or harrassed....
2nd thing is that i have told u again n again the diff between a Moderated forum and a non moderated forum.....and i told u that u'll have to abide by certain rules sir....
if u don't like the rules...all i have to say is u'll have to leave then.....
i hope i made myself clear.....
Since i deleted stuff in this thread 3 or 4 times...and u kept posting that stuff regardless of my telling u not to do that....
i am closing this thread....