Re: Re: Naadir, and zeen and others,
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*Originally posted by sokoon: *
Dear respected ones,
Thanks for giving me time to discuss all points well. It is my problem I am interested to change the fiqha.
I am making things easy for you all to please further advice me from your valuable wisdom, after reading the following;I have geathered it from very old books of iraqis. Written by old rsoul's family members.
What is the difference between shia and sunnis?
When this difference came into exsistance from muslims to sunni muslims and shia muslims?
After the death of rasoul there were wars between Ali and AYesha(R)
Those who sided Ali are called as sheyane Ali.
And others who sided ayesha said that she is prophet's wife and khalifas daughter , what they are saying is right and so we are the followeres of sunnate rasoul through them( prophet's wife and his companions). So we are of rasouls sunnis.
Apperantly they disregarded Ali the, although they accepted it was ayesha's mistake. Buit they never had moral courage to decide who is right and who is wrong, they could not draw the demarkation line. And they said we believe in both.
So shia say it was hipocracy to say both were right as abu bakar was on seat.
And they say for them selves they always choose the correct straight away without doubt , right ones from wrong.
So this is :
Why shias ( all sets bohri, agha khanies, zaidis of yamen, hurees of syria, alvies of turkey ,darouzies of labonon and many more of shia sets; all bellieve in Ali as first imam after Prophet mohammed(P) do not believe in khulafas or khilafat at all.
Please do not mind despite of the fact that they(shias) are being ZABHA for last 1400 years or more they are more in numbers. They do not bother if some one says they are in minority in the world.
If you find the percentage who are sheyane ALi you would be left
stunt.
Let me give you a statistics of neighbouring countries of pakistan only and a bit closer ones.
Bahrain 75% all sets of shia who believe in Ali as first imam
Kuwait 65 %
Iran almost 98%
Iraq more than 80%
Yamen 25%
Saudia about 10% main stream shia and 15 % other shias set
and Pakistan all sets of shia like sunnis have other sets are almost 45%
And same way in other countries of the world.
Self deception that shias are less , shias are in minority, is good for mere happiness.
Over all they are in majority.Shias do not care about their percentage.
Coming to the second point when did muslims division between shias and sunnis had confirmed.
After hazrat umar was selected khalifa, he gave his khilafat to abu bakar(R).
Why?
It is because AEysha (R) daughter of abu bakar(R) was the step mother of FATIMA ZAHRA----the daughter of prophet rasoul(P)
In arabs the enemity between step mother and daughter, is still in practice, and fatima was a victim of the same, by father of ayesha (R),
This he could do after he got the leadership as khalifa.
From werasat of Rasoul and his brother, Fatima zahra and ALi both had received Bage FIDAK. Ali had given his share from his father also to fatima.
Ayesha (R) was very sad that why prophet did not give his share to me, as fatima's husband Ali has given his share to his wife fatima.
And prophet also gave his share to fatima ,her only daughter from khateja.
So as soon as abu bakar became khalifa first work he did to satisfy his daughter aeysha was to ask that Bagh to be given in baitul mall.
And fatima used to be tortured by being called every other day as she used to say it is my verasat, no one should take it from me.
This story was continued, Ali told fatima not to go for any explanation, as it is yours, they must not snatch your rightful right .
She stopped going to adalat.
So hazrat umar visited her one day.
They had argument on the same topic.
Umar(R) had pushed the wooden door in anger; it hit the child of fatima in her womb.
The child was dead and poison spread in her whole body and she died within few days.Some of her ribs were also broken, as she used to complain of pain of that kind.
She was very sad and used to cry and say that when I would go to baba I would complain to him about the cruelity of abu ayesha and umar(R).They did not care about aayate qurani in which you have asked GOD as aajre resalat "to love your ahlal bait"
She also mentioned i do waseyat(will) to not let them(khulafas) attend my funeral, and if they insist carry my dead body in the night so that their eyes should not be able to see me.
The result was, those who sided fatima are called Shias again, and they said that we have to choose khair from sher.
Shia say one can not be friend of fatima and friend of her enemies.
Where as sunnis say we are for both as umar did not hurt her delibrately .
In a way they are also right.
Abu ayesha used to say I was a father, my daughter was sad; I wanted her to satisfy by taking that Bagh in Baitul mal.
I say what khulafas were doing was according to their intelligence. The wrong doers are those who had give them the religious educationist
seat, without them being authority on elm.
For example seat of English teacher to be given to arrow master.
How can this arrow masters would know the subject and teach the correct subject. The result would be as it is todays muslim ummah.
Khelafat ne rastey he mein kahein dam tour deya.
Every one forgot the last aayat of sorah Ra Ad.
Inwhich it gives indication, a clear one that for my shahadat this unspeaking Quran, a moujeza and the one who has complete elm of this kitaab is sufficient.
And the first person who read the sentence mohammadun Rasoul ullah. was Ali. He knew the elim ul Quran, through most learned teacher prophet mohammed from his first day of life.
This sentence was not for yahouds. God would never appreciate and take the witness of our prophet from yahoud. Naouzoubillah.
Nafrat key beh inteha hey ka, such people do not want to think also for a moment about the truth of Quran atleast.
To save the EZAT of khulafas ; it has been added, in children Ali, in elders ABU bakar read the mohammadun rasoul ullah, first.
Who had stopped any one of them to say shahadat for rasoul being prophet at first.? No one.
This is how we read the kalma tayaba which was first uttered by Ali abne Abi Talib, no matter he was a child,but give allowance to his brother mohammed who was the best of all after GOD.
So the child (ALI) was trained by him to such a quality that oldest of all were not that good in understanding of the religion, or quran
please feel free to discuss, think I would not agree with your books, as I have not being believing in them. Try to prove yourself from Quran, and sunna narrated by fatima, Ali, or Ayesha.
Bye sokoon
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Sokoon, You are funny but also so innocent.
BTW what sort of books do you read or is it that you just pass on what you hear as facts?
making some person alive again and it involves laddus, can’t remember what it is but they read that often, they make Kheer on a special night as an offering to the Imams, they are keepers of the local Imam Baargah but their younger generation are totally disillusioned with all this, Allah hai hidayat denay waala.
) got the chance to write the first islamic fiqha. And that is the Fiqah - e - Jafferiya.
