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So...you are in favor of demolishing the Tomb of our Prophet into baron sandy ground?
The Prophet's grave is already a baron sandy ground and its not a tomb.
Although Barelvis would love to think of it as one, no wonder they all gang up in Masjid Nabwi, at around 2am-4am, and start crying/praying/humming/rubbing themselves against the walls and all other weird stuff the probably picked up from the hindus/sikhs. Its quite a sight when the security there chases them away.
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There is a structure on top of the grave. Are you in favor of demolishing it and creating a restroom on it, like they have done on Hazrat Khadija's?
and also have some respect friend. I am not barelvi, but have some respect.
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I think you are talking about Jannat-ul-Baqi. Now you can not find Hazrat Khadeeja's grave because all those graves and tombs were razed and run over by bulldozers by Saudi Wahabis in 1930s.
I think u got it wrong.
Jannat ul Baqi is there in Medina, and Hazrath Khadija died in Makkah in the 10th year of Prophethood, and Prophet immigrated to Mediana in the 13th year of Prophethood.
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From what I understand Islamiclly tombs are not allowed mainly b/c of the fear that people would start worshiping them over time, and to some extent thats true. Just go to any shrine in Pakistan and you'll know what I'm talking about. People go to these graves asking for favors from the dead people instead of asking Allah. Thats shrik.
Re: Are tombs permitted?
From what I understand Islamiclly tombs are not allowed mainly b/c of the fear that people would start worshiping them over time, and to some extent thats true. Just go to any shrine in Pakistan and you'll know what I'm talking about. People go to these graves asking for favors from the dead people instead of asking Allah. Thats shrik.
absoloutely correct... i had to pray at a mazar once... i have never felt so disgusted in my life... not at the dead but at the fact that i was so close to shirk, ewww.
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So...you are in favor of demolishing the Tomb of our Prophet into baron sandy ground?
I am saying that the message he delivered is more important to me than his physical remains...
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Instead of spending money on your stupid tombs, why dont you give it away to the poor?
Instead of destroying tombs and other structures, why don't you use the time effor and money to help the poor?
Instead of causing death and destruction, why don't the Jehadis help people constructively?
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I am saying that the message he delivered is more important to me than his physical remains...
Yes, but that does not mean his phycial remains need be run over by a bulldozer.
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does building a tomb/shrine/structure help the deceased in anyway?
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does building a tomb/shrine/structure help the deceased in anyway?
Why not, then, burn the body and scatter the ashes? Why even bother with a burial? Why show any respect towards the deceased? It does does not help him/her in anyway...
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Why not, then, burn the body and scatter the ashes? Why even bother with a burial? Why show any respect towards the deceased? It does does not help him/her in anyway...
the burial process in Islam is pretty much clear-cut (i.e. burial in the ground), tombs over graves is the issue in question here, origin of the thread points towards the mosque like structure being built over Bhuttos resting place, is it really needed? I dont think so...
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Maybe he meant "Jannatul Mau’alla"
I think u got it wrong.
Jannat ul Baqi is there in Medina, and Hazrath Khadija died in Makkah in the 10th year of Prophethood, and Prophet immigrated to Mediana in the 13th year of Prophethood.
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Yes, but that does not mean his phycial remains need be run over by a bulldozer.
Correct, it does not need to be razed to the ground... if anything, I would consider it a part of humanity's heritage, of a great man with a message of peace and humanism. But that is where it ends.
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Why not, then, burn the body and scatter the ashes? Why even bother with a burial? Why show any respect towards the deceased? It does does not help him/her in anyway...
True. Islamic history as we know it, is evident through the physical remains, and mausoleums of our past. No "living" monuments from day 1 would have meant that our very religion is suspicious, without any proof. Its not about creating tombs, its about keeping your tahzeeb and history alive.
The "extremist ratta" of people worshipping graves is weaker then the extremist belief in God himself. I know many sufis, shias, barelvis and have personally observed their cultures in my travels. That worshipping bit is certainly not true. They all believe in Allah, and his last prophet...and they certainly don't speak ill of other sects like some kids do here.
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I think you are talking about Jannat-ul-Baqi. Now you can not find Hazrat Khadeeja's grave because all those graves and tombs were razed and run over by bulldozers by Saudi Wahabis in 1930s.
it tell your knowledge , janat ul Baqi is not in makkah
grave yard in makkah is janat ul mala
grave of hazrat khadeeja is there , just go and see there my brother , surely there is no tomb but a grave
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Maybe he meant "Jannatul Mau’alla"
i had heard it name as mala not maualla
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Let's not have a marker to praise a dead man, that's worship! Instead, let's just praise everything he ever said and did and put it his words on par with those of God. Let's dress the way he did, mimic the way he ate, relieve ourselves the way he did, address people as was his manner, brush our teeth and trim our hair like he did. But God forbid, don't construct a marker for his grave!
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it tell your knowledge , janat ul Baqi is not in makkah grave yard in makkah is janat ul mala
grave of hazrat khadeeja is there , just go and see there my brother , surely there is no tomb but a grave
Whether in Madina, Makka, Jannat-ul-Baqi or Jannat-ul-Mualla, all tombs and graves of prophet's family and companions in Suadi Arabia were razed and bulldozed by Saudi Wahabis in 1930s. Destruction of historic and holy sites that are revered by people of other religions/sects is universally accepted as abhorrent. For the Saudi Wahabis, feelings and emotions of other sects means zilch.
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“relieve ourselves the way he did”??
Praising someone is not worship. Offering Fateha, praying for dead and reciting Quran is not worship. Having a a grave in a place where enough people can gather to do that is not worship. Building something to remember someone is also not worship either.
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Whether in Madina, Makka, Jannat-ul-Baqi or Jannat-ul-Mualla, all tombs and graves of prophet's family and companions in Suadi Arabia were razed and bulldozed by Saudi Wahabis in 1930s. Destruction of historic and holy sites that are revered by people of other religions/sects is universally accepted as abhorrent. For the Saudi Wahabis, feelings and emotions of other sects means zilch.
tell me whoes grave from prophet family is not now in saudi arabia
prophet son, daugters , wifes , phopies , uncles all are there just go and see