Are they still married?

My friend mentioned a couple today who had been married for 6 years, they had done Islamic Nikkah as well as registration of the wedding here in the UK.

Last year they divorced unfortunately, divorce was carried out via the British system but not islamically.

Now they want to get back together again and are trying to find out if they are still married islamically?

My question is , are they still married Islamically as they never underwent the divorce procedure as set by the Islamic law. Or are they now considered divorced because they did indeed get divorced via courts as per the British law? :hmmm:

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Good question. We had a couple that got divorced earlier this year and it went through the court system, the local imam considered it official on both grounds Islamically and legally.

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well. They did 'divorce', with intention of divorce..it looks like a divorce to me.

coming to islamic point. If they consider the legal divorce to be one (out of 3) islamic divorce. they can get together...

and the rest they need to ask some molvi.

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Mayb this helps:

Question:
I have a question about Islamic Divorce that I hope you can help me with.

I am a British born convert to Islam. I became a Muslim in 1984. I married at a Shariah Court in Sudan and then went to the UK where at the time we were told we had to have another marriage (registry) as the UK did not recognise potentially polygamous marriages. . After many years of marriage (and a lot of tension caused by the hatred to Muslims in the UK among other things), we have decided to get divorced.

We divorced by British divorce by cross decrees (mutual consent). How can I now go about dissolving the Islamic marriage? I understand it is sufficient ('bare talaq) to declare I divorce you three times, and I see that even in some bizarre cases email text messages have been accepted! Some sources cited it is usual for a family member to be present and for the man to attend a mosque and declare his intention in front of a religious ‘official’ (whatever that means in Islam!) - Since my wife has no family members in this country and I have no family alive - is it sufficient for me to inform my wife of my intention?

Should I declare my intention of Talaq, in the local mosque? Or is as is stated in various Islamic sites on the web the British divorce also considered an Islamic divorce? Please can you advice.
Answer:

In the name of Allah, Most Compassionate, Most Merciful,

According to Shariah, speech and verbal utterance is not a necessary condition for the validity of a divorce (talaq). Rather, divorce is also effected by means of the written word. The great Hanafi jurist, Imam al-Kasani (Allah have mercy on him) states:

�Similarly, issuing a divorce verbally is not a condition. Hence, divorce will be effected with clear and unambiguous writing, or with the understood gesture of a dumb person, for the clear written word is in place of verbal utterance�. (Bada�i al-Sana�i, 3/100).

This writing must be clear and unambiguous. It must be written out of one�s own will and not be forced. Also, there should be no deception in getting the husband to write out the decree of divorce.

Similarly, if the husband instructed a third person to write the decree of divorce for him and then he signed the written document, divorce will be effected.

Allama Ibn Abidin (Allah have mercy on him) states:

�If the husband requested another person to write the declaration of divorce for him, and he (the writer) after writing it, read it out to the husband who took the divorce paper, signed and stamped it, and sent it to his wife, divorce will be effected if the husband admits that it is his writing�. (Radd al-Muhtar, 3/246-247).

Shaykh Qudri Pasha explains, in his decisive codification of Hanafi personal law, al-Ahkam al-Shar�iyya fi�l Ahwal al-Shakhsiyya, which is a primary source for the personal law of several Muslim countries, and continues to be taught and used across the Islamic world:

(Item 222)

Divorce may be affected in speech or in clear, understandable writing, whether signed by the husband or someone he has given agency to do so on his behalf�

Taking the above into consideration, if the husband initiated the legal divorce in that he appointed the court as an agent on his behalf to divorce his wife, then on the day the court issues the divorce, his wife will be also Islamically divorced.

The reason being that the husband appointed the court as an agent on his behalf to divorce his wife, and appointing a non-Muslim as an agent is considered to be valid in Shariah. (See: Radd al-Muhtar).

If the wife initiated the legal divorce and the court sent the divorce papers to the husband, and he willingly, understanding the contents of the writing, signed it, then his wife will be considered to be divorced from the time he signs the divorce papers from an Islamic perspective also.

However, if he did not sign on any written document, neither did he initiate the divorce, but the court divorced him on behalf of his wife against his will, then this, according to Shariah, will not be classed as a valid divorce.

Therefore, in your situation, if you signed on the legal divorce papers, then you have divorced your wife from an Islamic perspective also. There is no need to go through some other form of Islamic procedure of divorce.

And Allah knows best

Muhammad ibn Adam al-Kawthari
Darul Iftaa, Leicester, UK
www.daruliftaa.org

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if he signed at the dotted line, they are divorced Islamically as well. they have to go thru Halaalah in order to get married again...Halaala must be genuine and NOT an 'ARRANGED' one!

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Thanks guys .. thats what I thought so they are divorced now and a planned Halala is not considered legal islamically so now their chances of getting together are slim ... Quite unfortunate for them..

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Halaala is nothing....its haraama actually.

thing is , after 3 talaqs its permanently over. you are not supposed to even think about getting together. the next nikah needs to be natural, of free will and consequence, without any consideration of the permanently divorced spouse.

merely using the term halaala and adding "planned'' etc after it does nothing more than cast a doubt over the haraamness of this practice.

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TRUE! but, in our culture, unfortunately this Halalah thing is seriosuly ABUSED...as if they are trying to loosely satisfy themselves rather than God and still claim to be 'fearful of Allah'...what a farce! :(

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thats one school of thought i think others will consider it 1 divorce and they can do another nikah

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Right this exact same point that Icono brought up was mentioned by my friend as well. She said that most people who divorce, they also go through Islamic divorce procedure separately to attain a proper divorce ..

The british court system has granted them a single divorce, it wont be considered an Islamic divorce .. :hmmm:

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it ALL depends to which fiq’H the person adheres to…in Hanafi fiq’H, the divorce has happened, we like it or not! most Indian and Pakistanis cater to Hanafii fiq’H.

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what is a planned halala??

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given the situation, you think it is going to be a genuine one LOL

Are they still married?

Divorce has to be given islamic way, for it to be valid. British divorce is merely a legal system and has no weight in islam. According to sharia; the couple are still married!!!

Please go look at islamic sources for advise; this is not one of them.

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Mushkil sawal hai.

a guy i know signed the divorce papers, and so did the wife. but divorce was suggested by wife's family and not by the husband. after three yrs or so the wife wanted to come back to this guy and he accepted her back, as one of the imam said that this divorce was a suggestion by someone and not couple's intention. he suggested to do renikah which the couple did. they are together now again and fighting every day again, not happy etc. hehe.

This all happened in UK btw.

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Ok so I have asked the question at the local mosque here and apparently they said the same as some of the friends here have mentioned, that the couple is still married since they didnt go through an Islamic divorce , which has to be done three times at different times and even if three talak’s are said at the same time in one sitting , its considered one talak .

So they said , the british talak will be considered the first talak. They still can get back together :hmmm:

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Queen, planned Halala is a sick concept that muslims invented.

Halala meaning: when a couple divorce. After a while they still want to get back together in a nikkah. That can only happen if a woman is married to another guy and then divorce happens between that couple. After which she can get back in a Nikkah with he first husband. Now the twist is that As per Islamic law , this second divorce should not be planned / forced .. they must genuinely make an effort to live as husband and wife and if purely out of natural reasons the divorce happens only and only then its considered a Halala .. otherwise the first husband should totally rule out getting back with his first wife.

In Pakistan, people have turned this into a drama.. they divorce easily and then incase they want to get back together, they ask the woman to marry some other guy, after one or two days , the new couple divorce and then the woman can remarry her first husband ... thats planned halala , which is totally unIslamic ..

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Thats what i said. I am a molvi now :smiley:

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It's a very complicated and sensitive subject... It depends who u ask and which school of thought they follow . Some say that 3 talaq in one sitting is considered as one and some consider it as 3. It's very confusing .. Imagine spending rest of your life thinking if you are committing gunnah or not .,, and lets be honest if a couple wants to reconsile they wil most likely follow the verdict which favors them
Allah doesn't like talaq and even thou its allowed it is most detested by Allah

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Really??? :eek: I mean, I thought, it should be done that way…and its the actual proceedure.. but its unIslamic??
Hmm!! :hmmm:
But what if the girl wants to be with her first husband and starts fighting with her second husband for no reason and create a situation where her second husband is left with no option than divorcing her!! then?? will it be considered right?? because then, the girl is not really happy with her second husband and she wants to go back to her first husband?? :hmmm:

P.S, I am not being against you here, I just want to know it more descriptively thats why asking you questions!!