In Shia Islam, anyone that accepts the commands of Allah, the Quran, and the Prophet is considered a Muslim. There is debate on whether or not some Ismailis are also included in this, because as far as I know, they don’t follow the rules of the Quran - but I may be wrong.
As muali said very well, we can’t really label other people’s faith, **but **it is important to know these things for Islamic laws such as those regarding marriage.
However, if we focus on these things too much, it really divides the world. For example, look at this website:
It was created solely to discredit a sect of religion. If only the author has spent his time teaching others about his own religion, and the Quran etc.
If Bohris have same beliefs as 12ers in 12 Super Prophets (Infallible Imams) then they are Rejectors of 'Aqeedah Khatm-e-Nubuwwat and thus they are out of the fold of Islam, because of this reason only.
Could you please explain what 'Aqeedah Khatm-e-Nubuwwat is.
Many thanks,
Also - we don't believe that Imams are "super prophets" at all, rather that they preached the messages that we taught by the Prophets.
I don’t want to waste my precious time on shias. Here is the relevant answer:
**Q:**Salaam. I am writing because of some confusion about the authenticity of BOHRIs and SHIAs and AGHA-KHANIs as Muslims. Are these sects to be considered Muslims, and why not? If you could direct me to some literature on the subject. (online or off) it would be greatly appreciated thank you.
**A:**Respected Brother-in-Islam,
Assalam-o-Alykum Wa RehmatULLAHi Wa Barakatuhu.
The BOHRI community is an off-shoot of the ISMAILI (AGHA-KHANIs) sect - part of the SHIA sect. SHIAs are not Muslims.
and Allah Ta’ala Knows Best
Mufti Ebrahim Desai
Following is the link to Fatwa regarding Twelver shias:
Here are views of Imams of Ahlus Sunnah, regarding shias:
Imam Ash-Shafi’i: On one occasion Imam Shafi’ee said concerning the Shia,** “I have not seen among the heretics a people more famous for falsehood than the Raafidi* Shia.”** and on another occasion he said; "Narrate knowledge from everyone you meet except for the Raafidi Shia, because they invent ahaadeeth and adopt them as part of their religion."* (Minhaj as-Sunnah an-Nabawiyyah)
(Some shia at the time of the Alid Imam Zayd ibn 'Ali demanded that he make a declaration of innocence (tabarra) from whoever disagreed with 'Ali’s right to be Imaam. When Zayd refused, they rejected him, and became known as the “Raafida” or rejectors. Those who followed Imaam Zayd became known as Zaydis, and have very little difference from mainstream Islam. The Raafidi evolved into the the various Imaami shia sects, the largest of which is the Ithna 'Ashari.)
Imam Abu Haneefah: It is reported that often Imam Abu Hanifah used to repeat the following statement about the Raafidi Shia; “Whoever doubts whether they are disbelievers has himself committed disbelief.”
Imam Malik: Once when asked about the Raafidi Shia, Imam Malik said; **“Do not speak to them or narrate from them, for surely they are liars.” **During one of Imam Malik’s classes, it was mentioned that the raafidi Shia curse the sahaba. Imam Malik recited the verse, “Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah and those with him are harsh with the disbelievers and gentle among themselves. So that the disbelievers may become enraged with them.” (48:29) He then said, “Whoever becomes enraged when the Sahâbah are mentioned is the one about whom the verse speaks.”(Tafseer al-Qurtubi)
In short, there is an agreement of Ummah (Ahlus Sunnah) that Shias (12ers) are out of the fold of Islam, and whoever goes against this consensus (Ijma’ of Ummat) is not from us.
Shia are original followers of Quran and Sunnah and they are true muslims.
For our kalimah the proof is in Surat al-Maeda [5:55]
"Verily, verily, your guardian is (none else but) God and His Apostle (Muhammad) and those who believe: those who establish prayer and pay the poor-rate, while they be (even) bowing down (in prayer)."
The ayat clearly instruct Muslims to follow three entities for guidence and authority: (1) Allah; (2) Mohammad; and (3) Ali bin abi Talib. As he (Ali) was the one whom this holy aya was revealed about, when he was praying and gave his ring as zakat to beggar while in the state of ruku.
Consult any expanded multi-volume Sunni tafseer (commentary) for this aya and you will find that this aya was revealed in none but Ameerul Moemineen Ali bin Abi Tablib .
Hazrat Ali was the only one at the time of Prophet who paid Zakat while he was in the state of bowing (ruku'). Muslim scholars are unanimous in reporting this event. here are few sunni references which mentioned the above revelation is in the honour of Imam Ali.
Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v5, p38. - Tafsir al-Kashshaf, by Al-Zamakhshari, v1, p505, 649 - Tafsir al-Khazin, v2, p68 - Tafsir al-Bayan, by Ibn Jarir al-Tabari, v6, p186, 288-289.
Therefore, the shias say "Ali Wali Allah" per Allah's definition.
The Quran then says [5:56]: "Whoever taketh as his guardian, God and His Apostle and those who believe, verily, (he hath joined) God's battalion; They are those that shall (always) by triumphant.
Bukhari narrates in Volume 1, Book 12, Number 764 Narrated Rifa'a bin Rafi AzZuraqi: One day we were praying behind the Prophet. When he raised his head from bowing, he said, "Sami'a-l-lahu Liman hamida." A man behind him said, "Rabbana walaka-l hamd hamdan Kathiran taiyiban mubarakan fihi" (O our Lord! All the praises are for You, many good and blessed praises). When the Prophet completed the prayer, he asked, "Who has said these words?" The man replied, "I." The Prophet said, "I saw over thirty angels competing to write it first." Prophet rose (from bowing) and stood straight till all the vertebrae of his spinal column came to a natural position.
Ibn Hajar says in Fath al-Barithat the hadith indicates the permissibility of initiating new expressions of dhikr in the prayer other than the ones related through hadith texts, as long as they do not contradict those conveyed by the hadith [since the above words were a mere enhancement and addendum to the known, sunna dhikr].
Besides, Ahle Sunnah themselves have 6 Kalimahs.
1) First Kalima - The Word of Purity (Tayyabah)
2) Second Kalima - The word of Testimony (Shahaadat)
3) Third Kalima - The word of Glorification (Tumjeed)
4)Fourth Kalima - The word of Unity (Tauhid)
5) Fifth Kalima - The word of Penitence (Astaghfar)
6) Sixth Kalima - The word in the disproving of Kufr (Rud-A-Kuffer)
These are the six kalimas. However you should know only the first one is necessary and the rest are just ways of expressing the beleif like shias express about Ali. Purpose of the Kalimah is to express ones belief, you testify that this is your belief. Is their any harm if Shias testify that Ali is the Wali of Allah? After all its derived from the Quran as well. And this does not make them a kaafir. Does it?
The Shia Kalimah:
There is no God but Allah, Muhammad is his last prophet, Ali is the wali of Allah and the successor of prophet Muhammad.
right on brother. such questions split us and cause hatered more than anything. Besides wots to be gained by determining if they are muslims or not. If they call themselves muslims its their right. you can think of them as your concience tells you but questions of others' faith shouldn't be discussed in public.
Listen to Al muslaqilla chennel. you will inderstand the real difference between shias, bohri , barailwi, agha khanis, shias , hanafis wonderfully well. when you will see that iraqi moullans easily prove all other firqas of islam and no other muslim firqa can dear to argue with them through quran. They prove themselves right only and only through Quran and all others though tried and continued discussions for months together on the same topic regarding three khalofas verses shiaism. I think we should not care about others ACKHERAT .We should only care about our ACKHERAT. Remember GOD is ALMIGHTY can do anything any time. His will is free. He may put all muslims to hell due to this FOUZOULYAT and may put other in Heaven instead. So increase the collition, cohesion, unity among muslims, TAFRIQA MAAT DALOU musalmanou ka beach please.
We Muslims can't EVER unite with Jews, Christians, Hindus, Majooos and those Munafiqeen who call themselves Muslims and who are Quran rejectors and Haters of Companions and Ahl-al-Bayt of Muhammad sallAllahu 'alayhe wasallam.
If some people want to unite with us then the Unity would be upon Quran only which has reached us through Companions of Muhammad sallAllahu 'alayhe wasallam (Sahabah). Those who curse and slander Abu Bakr, 'Umar, 'Uthman, Mu'awiyah radhiyAllahu 'anhum and Azwaj-e-Mutahhiraat (Mothers of Believers) are Hell Bound Kuffar.
what are you basing this on? I assume its not on the Quran, because I have read it plenty of times and it doesn’t say any such thing, but I may be wrong - so please show me some proof.
The shias belief that some of his companions were actually hypocrites, and other were true companions. We have our evidence for this, and you have your evidence against.
The 2 verses that caught my attention in the Quran relating to this issue are:
This shows that the Prophet didn’t even know all the hypocrites himself.
I have talked to many Sunnis and some of them use to their hadith to show how Abu Bakr and Uthmaan were perfect - which is fine. I am no-one to question their religion. What confuses me though is when I see things like:
(from an anti-shia website)
They quite literally just added “slandering 'A’isha” to the Quran!
Us Shias are just as bad…
Notice how in both of these quotes, what’s in brackets is the most important stuff… and it wasn’t even in the original document!
Yes… Shias, or at least I, believe that Imam Ali (A.S.) compiled the Quran.
Again, who are you to make this judgement?
I understand if you believe that cursing certain people is wrong (which I don’t do by the way, I just believe that these people were misguided) that is your sect of Islam’s opinion, but it has nothing to do with the part of Islam that is agreed on by everyone - the Holy Quran.
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If some people want to unite with us then the Unity would be upon Quran only which has reached us through Companions of Muhammad sallAllahu 'alayhe wasallam (Sahabah).
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Quran reached us through the Holy Prophet(PBUH).(not companions)
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Those who curse and slander Abu Bakr, 'Umar, 'Uthman, Mu'awiyah radhiyAllahu 'anhum and Azwaj-e-Mutahhiraat (Mothers of Believers) are Hell Bound Kuffar.
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Basic rules for a muslim are :-
1-God is one(Allah)
2-Hazrat Mohammad(PBUH) is the last prophet of Allah
3-Holy Quran is the last book of Allah
And there is not any more restriction here.
Who dont believe some sahabas how is he a kaffir?Its totaly wrong.
According to Quran (as you can see in my one of previous posts), disbelievers get enraged when Sahabah are mentioned, that was the reason why Imam Malik issued his Fatwa about shias. And the whole Ummah agrees upon that.
The ayat clearly instruct Muslims to follow three entities for guidence and authority: (1) Allah; (2) Mohammad; and (3) Ali bin abi Talib. As he (Ali) was the one whom this holy aya was revealed about, when he was praying and gave his ring as zakat to beggar while in the state of ruku.
Consult any expanded multi-volume Sunni tafseer (commentary) for this aya and you will find that this aya was revealed in none but Ameerul Moemineen Ali bin Abi Tablib .
Hazrat Ali was the only one at the time of Prophet who paid Zakat while he was in the state of bowing (ruku'). Muslim scholars are unanimous in reporting this event. here are few sunni references which mentioned the above revelation is in the honour of Imam Ali.
Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v5, p38. - Tafsir al-Kashshaf, by Al-Zamakhshari, v1, p505, 649 - Tafsir al-Khazin, v2, p68 - Tafsir al-Bayan, by Ibn Jarir al-Tabari, v6, p186, 288-289.
Therefore, the shias say "Ali Wali Allah" per Allah's definition.
The Quran then says [5:56]: "Whoever taketh as his guardian, God and His Apostle and those who believe, verily, (he hath joined) God's battalion; They are those that shall (always) by triumphant.
Bukhari narrates in Volume 1, Book 12, Number 764 Narrated Rifa'a bin Rafi AzZuraqi: One day we were praying behind the Prophet. When he raised his head from bowing, he said, "Sami'a-l-lahu Liman hamida." A man behind him said, "Rabbana walaka-l hamd hamdan Kathiran taiyiban mubarakan fihi" (O our Lord! All the praises are for You, many good and blessed praises). When the Prophet completed the prayer, he asked, "Who has said these words?" The man replied, "I." The Prophet said, "I saw over thirty angels competing to write it first." Prophet rose (from bowing) and stood straight till all the vertebrae of his spinal column came to a natural position.
Ibn Hajar says in Fath al-Barithat the hadith indicates the permissibility of initiating new expressions of dhikr in the prayer other than the ones related through hadith texts, as long as they do not contradict those conveyed by the hadith [since the above words were a mere enhancement and addendum to the known, sunna dhikr].
Besides, Ahle Sunnah themselves have 6 Kalimahs.
1) First Kalima - The Word of Purity (Tayyabah)
2) Second Kalima - The word of Testimony (Shahaadat)
3) Third Kalima - The word of Glorification (Tumjeed)
4)Fourth Kalima - The word of Unity (Tauhid)
5) Fifth Kalima - The word of Penitence (Astaghfar)
6) Sixth Kalima - The word in the disproving of Kufr (Rud-A-Kuffer)
These are the six kalimas. However you should know only the first one is necessary and the rest are just ways of expressing the beleif like shias express about Ali. Purpose of the Kalimah is to express ones belief, you testify that this is your belief. Is their any harm if Shias testify that Ali is the Wali of Allah? After all its derived from the Quran as well. And this does not make them a kaafir. Does it?
The Shia Kalimah:
There is no God but Allah, Muhammad is his last prophet, Ali is the wali of Allah and the successor of prophet Muhammad.
Ya Ali Mudad.
Yes that was Syedna Ali RAH, what does he or his deeds have anything to do with shias....
