This is quoted from an online source of the Nahjul Balagha http://www.al-islam.org/nahjul/79.htm
Do you think that our Beloved Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) shared the same opinion? Allah teaches us in Quran that women are very important. Wouldn’t the above then suggest that Hazrat Ali (ra) is making a personal comment rather than one that is in Quran?
[This message has been edited by CoolDude (edited January 05, 2001).]
These cannot be Hazrat Ali's (RA) words.
No, these ARE NOT Hazrat ALi’s words. THese are lies created by Shia scholars against him.
There are many more, about the same topic(woman) that shia have created lies about, I shall post that too.
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“Fatal blows to Shiaism”?
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try reading the commentary/reference
(1). Amir al-mu'minin delivered this sermon after the devastation created by the Battle of Jamal. Since the devastation resulting from this battle was the outcome of blindly following a woman's command, in this sermon he has described women's physical defects and their causes and effects. Thus their first weakness is that for a few days in every month they have to abstain from prayer and fasting, and this abstention from worship is a proof of their deficiency in Faith. Although the real meaning of iman (belief) is heart-felt testimony and inner conviction yet metaphorically it also applies to action and character. Since actions are the reflection of Belief they are also regarded as part of Belief. Thus, it is related from ImamAli ibn Musa ar-Rida (p.b.u.t.) that:
`iman (belief) is testimony at heart, admission by the tongue and action by the limbs.
The second weakness is that their natural propensities do not admit of full performance of their intelligence. Therefore, nature has given them the power of intelligence only in accordance with the scope of their activities which can guide them in pregnancy, delivery, child nursing, child care and house-hold affairs. On the basis of this weakness of mind and intelligence their evidence has not been accorded the status of man's evidence, as Allah says:
. . . then call to witness two witnesses from among your men and if there not be two men then (take) a man and two women, of those ye approve of the witnesses, so that should one of the two (women) forget the (second) one of the two may remind the other... (Qur'an, 2:282)
The third weakness is that their share in inheritance is half of man's share in inheritance as the Qur'an says:
Allah enjoineth you about your children. The male shall have the equal of the shares of two females...(4:11)
This shows woman's weakness because the reason for her share in inheritance being half is that the liability of her maintenance rests on man. When man's position is that of a maintainer and care taker the status of the weaker sex who is in need of maintenance and care-taking is evident.
After describing their natural weakness, Amir al-mu'minin points out the mischief of blindly following them and wrongly obeying them. He says that not to say of bad things but even if they say in regard to some good things it should not be done in a way that these should feel as if it is being done in pursuance of their wish, but rather in a way that they should realise that the good act has been performed because of its being good and that their pleasure or wish has nothing to do with it. If they have even the doubt that their pleasures has been kept in view in it they would slowly increase in their demands and would wish that they should be obeyed in all matters however evil, the inevitable consequence whereof will be destruction and ruin. ash-Shaykh Muhammad `Abduh writes about this view of Amir al-mu'minin as under:
Amir al-mu'minin has said a thing which is corroborated by experiences of centuries.
wa-salam
Let us look at the differance between shia women and sunni women with examples.
Saudi arabi=highly sunni place
Iran=highly shia place
In KSA women are not allowed to do any jobs but as nurses or WOMEN bankers.
In Iran Women can do any job Including burying the dead!!
This is one example of the freedom allowed to shia women compared to sunni womem.
There are more and this prooves that shia women have more freedom as compared to sunni women.
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The question posted by Br. is that are those Hazrat Ali's (RA) words? Why don't someone confirm or deny?
[This message has been edited by Musalman (edited January 06, 2001).]
First of all I will confirm this quote very soon. But I would like to bring in your kind knowledge that we can not challenge his wisdom since its well known fact that after Prophet Mohammad ( pbum) Hazrat Ali (ra) was the person who had the knowledge which no one else has had at that time. The Prophet Mohammad ( pbum) Transfered his knowledge to hazrat Ali.. None of his ( prophet) companion had ever challenged the wisdom of Hazrat ali because challenging him means challenging prophet himself because transferring is the procedure which is errorless. Mr cool dude you will never search the truth without a good foundation. You can never make any thing straight if the very first brick of foundation is wrong. Indeed,i think you dont even have any foundation.
Shah Jahan, dont you know that hazrat aisha was the leader in one war in which she had performed every work that a man could do.
one more question have you ever been to iran . this is just like giving a comment without any credibility.
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Originally posted by BASEMENT-jAXX:
*First of all I will confirm this quote very soon. But I would like to bring in your kind knowledge that we can not challenge his wisdom since its well known fact that after Prophet Mohammad ( pbum) Hazrat Ali (ra) was the person who had the knowledge which no one else has had at that time. The Prophet Mohammad ( pbum) Transfered his knowledge to hazrat Ali.. None of his ( prophet) companion had ever challenged the wisdom of Hazrat ali because challenging him means challenging prophet himself because transferring is the procedure which is errorless. Mr cool dude you will never search the truth without a good foundation. You can never make any thing straight if the very first brick of foundation is wrong. Indeed,i think you dont even have any foundation. *
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LOLOLOL another confused shia trying to make sense out of his misery!!! Nice try buddy, try again!
So other 100,000+ sahaba got nothing from Mohammad, and only Ali received his knowledge? Damn, boy ignorences are taking their toll on you, get help soon!!!
Take it easy!!!
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Originally posted by Salman-:**
The second weakness is that their natural propensities do not admit of full performance of their intelligence. Therefore, nature has given them the power of intelligence only in accordance with the scope of their activities which can guide them in pregnancy, delivery, child nursing, child care and house-hold affairs.
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uhh please.. this is the biggest piece of crock i have heard.. should i put you in a battle of knowledge and understanding with madame Mary Curie.. the lady who has the honour of discovering radiation?
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Originally posted by Salman-:**
On the basis of this weakness of mind and intelligence their evidence has not been accorded the status of man's evidence, as Allah says:
. . . then call to witness two witnesses from among your men and if there not be two men then (take) a man and two women, of those ye approve of the witnesses, so that should one of the two (women) forget the (second) one of the two may remind the other... (Qur'an, 2:282)
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considering that women normally stayed within the household they will not necessarily remember event or sequence of them outside the house.. and therefore if there are two women they can confer or you may be able to piece together information from two testimonies.
with regard to witness.. I have a simple parable.. a building has collapsed (being a civil engineer myself) if you have to call a witness.. who would have a bigger weight in testimony.. two bystanders or the chief engineer with 20 years of experience behind him..
women's witness is half not because they are less intelegent.. but because at that time the main work where a witness may be required was trade.. where only men worked.
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Originally posted by Salman-:**
The third weakness is that their share in inheritance is half of man's share in inheritance as the Qur'an says:
Allah enjoineth you about your children. The male shall have the equal of the shares of two females...(4:11)
This shows woman's weakness because the reason for her share in inheritance being half is that the liability of her maintenance rests on man. When man's position is that of a maintainer and care taker the status of the weaker sex who is in need of maintenance and care-taking is evident.
After describing their natural weakness, Amir al-mu'minin points out the mischief of blindly following them and wrongly obeying them.
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i do not see where it is said the women are the weaker sex in the above text...
medical fact.. if you get one man and one woman and leave them in the middle of the desert.. the woman will survive longer than the man.. because physically she is stronger (i mean not in weight lifting).
** that to me definitly shows that women are not weaker than men but stronger. add to that their ability to multitask.. it seems they may be better then men.. if you really look at it.. **
I agree with blackzero.
They shoot partypoopers, don't they?
The Watcher, first of all i am not a shia but i have a believe on Hazrat Ali more than any sunni and shia.and i still beieve that there were no one who can challenge the wisdom of Hazrat ali not even the companion
**Do you have the least idea about what that speech really means??? No… no you don’t.
Wahabees generally never pay attention to the Islamic history before the advent of Al-Wahab, do they?
This speech was given by Hazrat Ali (A.S.) after Jang-e-Jaml, in which Hazrat Aisha (R.A.) fought against him besides Mouwia the Maloon. And that is why he gave this speech.**
Don’t you dare post dirty stuff in this forum…
Mail it to me at [email protected] .
This particular post proves the level og knowledge some people have about history.
sad to see.
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[This message has been edited by ramesha (edited January 07, 2001).]
BZ are far as i see you can't understand Quran.
A few questions.......
Why do women have to hide everything but faces, hands and feet.(I'm not saying this Quran is)and men do from only bellybutton toknees?
Why do men gt a share equal to two females?
Why do women in Islam have only one job and that is taking care of children and men have every job imaginable?
If you look at Quran Women have only one wajib job(read JOB)to do and that is take care of kids.
And on the flip side you see men who have to feed the household, do Jihad, go out andface the world, keep the health of the family up and god knows what else.
Islam allowes women to have one husband at a time but men can have 4.
There are many more examples.
I personally think women are equal but to some extent as to pardah and marrige men are made to be hardy and and not as sensetive to matters as compared to women
PLEASE don't get me wrong but Quran says this And I must obey!
Feel free to criticise me even you can to ramesha!!
** my best friend is he who critizes my faults**
Imam jaffar-Saddiq
Jazakallah for your replies.
As I expected, a lot of responses were just a knee-jerk reaction.
Consider the following part of the statement:
Do not obey them even in good things so that they may not attract you to evils
Is there any mention in Quran about not trusting women, even in good things? The question I asked was if these were Hazrat Ali's words.. Is there any basis in Quran of this? If not, then the above must be an opinion and not based on Islam.
Remember, Islam was completed. Nothing can be added or changed.
Pakistan99: Whats this fascination with Wahabis? Get a life my man.
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Originally posted by CoolDude:
***Do not obey them even in good things so that they may not attract you to evils*
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As we have said before this speech was for the batle of Jamal and
though Aysha was calling for a good thing(jihad) but it hid a evil(as it was against Imam Ali). see easy!!!
If we look at Quran we se some ayats that were for the prophet and for that time only!!
Same with Nehjul-Balagha. This speech was for THAT time only as Aysha had led a revolt against hazrat Ali!!
Feel free to criticise!!
** my best friend is he who critizes my faults**
Imam jaffar-Saddiq
so it's not applicable in today's society?
who decided that?
No it probabaly is not
And commen sense decided that!!
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feel free to criticise!!
** my best friend is he who critizes my faults**
Imam jaffar-Saddiq
Common sense differs in different people.
Allah has made Islam clear for us.. If somebody has an opinion then thats what it stays. If people start following that opinion rather than Quran, then what does that make them?
Innovation in Islam is not allowed. no way, no how.