Are these Ahadeeth authentic and if so why do they contradict?

[Captain1]

Re: Are these Ahadeeth authentic and if so why do they contradict?

@Faruk Khan

So you’re saying one of the Ahadeeth is authentic whilst the other is not (either because the transmitters had a bad memeory or they liked to forge things)? Bare in mind these Ahadeeth are from Bukhari and Muslim, our (so called) most authentic Ahadeeth collections.

Or are they both authentic and it’s perfectly acceptable for things attributed to the Prophet :saw: to contradict each other?

I’m confused, blind faith was so much nicer when I believed everything my Ustaad Ji (Mullah), dad, mom and the Deobandi/Tableeghi Jamaat books they gave me said but I don’t think I’ll ever be able to go back to blind following any sect or religion again.

Bukhari is perhaps the largest “collection” of ahadith. These collections Bukhari, Dawood, Ibn Maja etc do not form a “fiqh”, they are just that → collections. Why they can contain contradictions is because of human factor involved in passing the knowledge. What these collectors (Bukhari, Muslim, Dawood etc) did was they analysed full chains of transmitters and gathered all the ahadith which passed certain criteria. You might have heard things like “reject any hadith which is in contradiction with Quran”, the question is why would there exist a hadith which could cause “contradiction with Quran”? Answer: Human factor.

To me Quran is the “binding” factor for all Muslims, while Hadith/Sunnah is the testing factor and result we have seen in so many “sects”. In the end YOU are responsible to judge from the available information and act to the BEST of knowledge you acquired, you can obtain a “fatwa” from any scholar but if that fatwa goes wrong you are still held responsible (even if it may not be to full extent).

My personal opinion from these two: I would take the safest route, which is intercouse without ejaculation needs ghusl. Why? Even if it turns out to be wrong I’ll still be right in the sense that it covered the other hadith i.e. ejaculation. However if you go with ejaculation hadith and that one turns out to be wrong… I don’t want to take that risk … You can still follow the 1st hadith if you can go into details and verify authenticity and see what fuqaha say about this issue.

Did it make any sense?

[Captain1]

Re: Are these Ahadeeth authentic and if so why do they contradict?

@mAd_ScIeNtIsT

If no hadiths ever contradicted each other, then you would not have different fiqhs.

Fiqh didn’t come into being because of “contradictions”, rather variations.

[Light_Bearer]

Re: Are these Ahadeeth authentic and if so why do they contradict?

Hadeeth or no hadeeth i will still go for a bath, its common sense.

[Crescent]

Re: Are these Ahadeeth authentic and if so why do they contradict?

@Light Bearer

Hadeeth or no hadeeth i will still go for a bath, its common sense.

hahahahahah. :p

[Faruk_Khan]

Re: Are these Ahadeeth authentic and if so why do they contradict?

Sadiyah thank you, that makes sense, so the apparent contradictions are because of abrogation’s and because Islam was revealed in stages.

[Ex-Guppan]

Re: Are these Ahadeeth authentic and if so why do they contradict?

Sadiyah, Thank you so much indeed. Jazak-Allah kherun

[little_human]

Re: Are these Ahadeeth authentic and if so why do they contradict?

I have heard that S Bukhari has veto power over other Sahih books. Things in Buhkari are accepted more than the other Sahih books. Anyone heard/read of that too?

[Light_Bearer]

Re: Are these Ahadeeth authentic and if so why do they contradict?

@Sadiyah

I tried looking up ahadith in Bulugh Al-Maram. Alhamdulillah, I was able to find a couple of hadith directly relevant to the topic.

Please refer to ahadith #s 94 & 95 as well as the 1st footnote, and especially the 2nd one.

The 2nd footnote more or less states that the hadith about not having to make ghusl (as stated in the first hadith in this thread) has been overridden by the 2nd hadith (as stated in the second hadith in this thread).

Ref: Bulugh Al-Maram - Attainment of the Objective according to the evidence of the Ordinances; Chapter 8, Page 50

Compiled by: Al-Hafiz Ibn Hajar Al-Asqalani - with Brief Notes from the Book Subul-us-Salam.

Written by: Muhammad bin Ismail As-Sanani

Published by: Dar-us-Salam

Sadiyah; thanks a lot

[Light_Bearer]

Re: Are these Ahadeeth authentic and if so why do they contradict?

@Captain1

Bukhari is perhaps the largest “collection” of ahadith. These collections Bukhari, Dawood, Ibn Maja etc do not form a “fiqh”, they are just that → collections. Why they can contain contradictions is because of human factor involved in passing the knowledge. What these collectors (Bukhari, Muslim, Dawood etc) did was they analysed full chains of transmitters and gathered all the ahadith which passed certain criteria. You might have heard things like “reject any hadith which is in contradiction with Quran”, the question is why would there exist a hadith which could cause “contradiction with Quran”? Answer: Human factor.

To me Quran is the “binding” factor for all Muslims, while Hadith/Sunnah is the testing factor and result we have seen in so many “sects”. In the end YOU are responsible to judge from the available information and act to the BEST of knowledge you acquired, you can obtain a “fatwa” from any scholar but if that fatwa goes wrong you are still held responsible (even if it may not be to full extent).

My personal opinion from these two: I would take the safest route, which is intercouse without ejaculation needs ghusl. Why? Even if it turns out to be wrong I’ll still be right in the sense that it covered the other hadith i.e. ejaculation. However if you go with ejaculation hadith and that one turns out to be wrong… I don’t want to take that risk … You can still follow the 1st hadith if you can go into details and verify authenticity and see what fuqaha say about this issue.

Did it make any sense?

No Captain, it still do not make sense, reason. if the contradiction in hadith is due to human factor, then you are validating the contradictions in other religious books to the same human factor.

then why do we bash non muslims for having descrepencies in their books which were passed on to them generation to generation through word of mouth.

Should we just accept that as well as easily as you are accepting in hadith case.

[Light_Bearer]

Re: Are these Ahadeeth authentic and if so why do they contradict?

BTW thats why in one or two other threads i have already said,

hadith is not the Word of God.

[Sadiyah]

Re: Are these Ahadeeth authentic and if so why do they contradict?

Wa iyyakum and welcome.

I was confused myself. Therefore, I decided to look it up in the books that I have.