Are taleban today's kharijiites?

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@Sa1eem

Prophet (SAW) kee hadith fitnay kay baray may bilkul clear hay aur yea bhie clear hay kay these people would be from Najd who would appear before judgment day.

And only movement that started from Najd in recent past is Wahabi doctrine. So, it is obvious that Prophet (SAW) hadith is talking about those who follow these doctrine or are influenced by these doctrine.

One thing about Kharjees doctrine that Prophet (SAW) mentioned is that, they would be exemplary in their ritual Islam, would be ignorant (would not listen, try to understand, or use logic in Islam), would be stubborn, would use ayah of Quran that is meant for Kuffars on Muslims, would judge Muslims according to their own understanding of Islam, would fight and kill Muslims, and would consider their own beliefs as not only correct but absolute.

We all know that no angel would come to pin point people who are Kharjees … and we have to take from what is written about them. If we do not then it would be at our own cost … that many Muslims are paying with their life and Islamic beliefs anyhow … buying hell for themselves.

In my opinion and opinion of many Muslims, everything mentioned about Kharjees (‘Dogs of hell’) comes true on people who are creating fitna in this world, especially Muslim world. I told you in past as well as today, that it is impossible for me as well as for many Muslims to not consider them Kharjees (Taliban and like) or consider them Muslim, and we would always use whatever written about Kharjees on them.

I would have added all groups in your list amongst Kharjees if they were under the influences by Najdi beliefs … because only clear hadith from Prophet (SAW) is that end time Kharjees would emerge from Najd (before judgement day) … they would be practicing Muslims … would claim themselves to be Muslim … and would create fitna and fisad amongst Muslims.

None of the groups you mentioned claim to be Muslims and still creating fitna and fisad amongst Muslims … plus beliefs of Kharjees that is mentioned in various hadith do not come true on any group of people you mentioned … except one whom I and many consider today as Kharjees.

Please read very carefully even if you do not agree with anything below.

I never talked about talibans. Only talked about salafis/deobandis/ or those who are called ahle hadith.

I never tried to associate any of the groups or religions with word kharijis.

Do you realize how dangerous it is to misuse the word Kharijis and associate this word with salafis/deobandis etc. and hence justifying somehow that ALL salafis or wahabis are bad people?

By your kind of thought process, every person who wants to follow Islam strictly or on surface could be called Kharjis. Since their hallmark is being rigid…and either do not take part in some actions or call them bida’. And they will recite Quran like no one else etc. etc.

Sure one may call those criminals Kharjis who actually do bad to others and are proven bad. But call only the criminals. Not the whole group of people.

By the way the word Najd is not an absolute indication that it belongs to a strict area.

Some say Najd/East words used in Hadiths are actually pointing out to Iraq.

The Hadith of Najd

[A hadeeth which has some controversy surrounding it due to **obvious sectarian reasons. **
A hadeeth which has been (deliberately) misunderstood by certain groups of people in order that they may spread their misguidance and deceive ignorant Muslims.
This because upon research and investigation and looking to the words of our early scholars we find that this hadeeth does not refer to the Najd that is famously known in Saudi today, but rather it refers to Iraaq.]

So there, your argument is debunked.

A lot of material is written on Salafis or Ahle Hadiths and most of those negative material is written by Barelvis or Ahle-Sunnat type of groups. OR By those who just want to make strict followers of Islam look bad.

Who knows who are actually kharijis. But we can always find who are committing crimes against innocent people.

My take on it is clear as I mentioned in bold and underlined statement. If we follow this, there will not be a cycle of blame game by using hadiths and hence the violence.

That is why I said earlier and repeat here:

We need to recognize the difference between those who just want to practice religion ‘strictly’ and those who are actually committing crimes.