Are taleban today's kharijiites?

[diwana]

Re: Steeped in ancient mysticism, passion of Pakistani Sufis infuriates Taliban

@Sa1eem

So … if I start calling kafirs/murtids/musriks to those who are considered Wahabis, Deobandis, Ahl-e-Hadis … giving reason, then would that be alright with you?

Absolutely no problem.

It is your right to consider anyone or any group kafir/murtid/mushrik.

On the other hand you should accept (if not agree to) others calling you (not personally) also kafir/murtid/mushrik if they find a reason.

It is when you add the justification for their death when problem may arise, since in turn you (again not personally) may be considered someone who deserves to die.

Salafis in general are those who do follow strict religious teaching and they may hold other unacceptable beliefs as others including you feel, but as long as they are peaceful, they should not be condemned to death, is the essence of my argument.

@Sa1eem

Diwana Bhai … You should know that all fitna, fisad, and preaching against Islam that Muslims are following since days of Prophet (SAW) is done by these Kharjees (and this thread is about that phenomena spreading in Sindh) … and it is also true that these present day Kharjees have created fitna and fisad amongst Muslim Umman that is unparalleled in history.

Can you tell us, what was the purpose of Najdi hadith associated to Prophet (SAW)?

Is it to read the hadith (that is clear in every respect) … see it getting fulfilled and still keep quiet, do nothing, and hide face in pillow … while according to hadith Prophet (SAW) told Muslims to fight them, kill them … and that whoever amongst Muslims would fight them (with words or hands) would be best amongst Muslims of the time.

Najdi hadith is very famous ‘crystal clear’ hadith about a group of people who would appear near judgment day from Najd (around Riyadh) and would create fitna and fisad amongst Muslim Ummah. There are various trait marks about these people to help recognising them and according to some hadith, these Kharjees would be ‘dogs of hell’.

Najdi Hadith and associated traits of people mentioned in various other related hadiths is so clear that one cannot have two interpretations about location of Najd and people hadith talks about.

It is consensus amongst Muslims that these people would have exemplary outer Islam (ritual Islam), such that Muslims would feel reluctant to fight them or kill them, even though these Kharjees would be fighting and killing Muslims, all over Muslim world. They would create fitna and fisad on earth and especially amongst Muslims. They are also called ‘kharjees of end time’.

According to hadith, these people would be worse kind of creations and according to some hadith Prophet (SAW) told Muslims to fight them and kill them.

Now … from Najdi hadith and related hadith it is clear that they would appear as sect or group from Riyadh … and surrounding areas.

From their location and traits … and traits of their followers, it is also clear that these people are no one else other than Wahabis and those who got influenced by their teachings.

So, what do you want one to do … keep quiet, ignore prediction in hadith associated to Prophet (SAW), and hide face in pillow … meanwhile letting these Kharjees create fitna and fisad amongst Muslims and spreading amongst Muslims drawing young Muslims towards Hell?

Saleem bhai, you will never find me supprting those who commit crimes against humanity regarldless of which group or area they belong to.

The problem is that calling someone kharijis doesn’t stop there, people start thinking that they deserve to die even if they have not committed any crime.

No one knows if Qayamat is near and no one can certainly know who kharijis are even if one reads the hadiths.

These hadiths are controversial in their interpretations and content at best.

Danger is that everyone can interpret hadiths his or her own way and can start hating any group of people.

Judging people and using hadiths to support hateful judgements is plain and simple wrong.