When our Prophet migrated from Makkah to Medina, He left behind Imam Ali..for more then one reason..one of the reason was to give kaafirs their belongings..so Imam Ali returned everyone their stuff and then migrated to Madina..if Prophet can care so much about kaafirs belongings then how can He just leave Islam like that..that is why He said I am leaving behind TWO things..Quran and My Family..Imam Ali is the first Imam and Imam Mehdi is 12th and final Imam..Imam Mehdi will come and rule the world..there is a hadith in all the sunni books that He( Imam Mehdi) will be from my family
Please people stop arguing.!
The worst muslim is the one who was born a muslim, calls himself a muslim, but does not act like a muslim.
The Qur'aan declares that there is one and only one God. Man is the best of all His creations, he should serve Him and none else. Everything else in the universe is subservient to man's use and benefit.
Please follow the Qur'aan as your first point of guidance.
How many more times do I need to reiterate this!
I guess Analyze It, needs a brain analysis. Imamat basic concept of Islam, Imamat began after Islam was completely revealed. All the Khalifa's came after Prophet (PBUH) expired. All the things ur talking about trace back to the aftermath of revelation of islam, nothing of it has to do with islam, only political history.
Its our Wits that make us MEN .... 'Braveheart'
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**I guess Analyze It, needs a brain analysis. Imamat basic concept of Islam, Imamat began after Islam was completely revealed. All the Khalifa's came after Prophet (PBUH) expired. All the things ur talking about trace back to the aftermath of revelation of islam, nothing of it has to do with islam, only political history.
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I am sorry that hear thats what you think. Waliyat (Imamant) its in quran again and again. Imam ali is witness of rashool allah prophethood. the whole world was created in the love on (panjtan pak). Read quran carefully. Inshallah you know waht i mean.
Mod, a humble request. Please close down this idiotic thread. Such arguements only help in increasing tensions and hatred between the Muslim sects.
May Allah guide us in the right path. Neither I am sunni neither Shia.
Pehlay Musalman banno phir in petty cheezon parr argue karro..
"There will be a man with full stomach, reclining on his pillow, who will hear a command from me and say, "Let the judge between us (in this matter) be Allah's Book: we obey whetever we find in it." [Know that] indeed, I have been given the Book and, with it, that which is similar to it (the Sunnah)." [Ahmad, Aboo Daawood, Saheeh ul-Jaami`]
You (Muslims) are the best nation ever raised among the mankind: (because) you
advocate righteousness and FORBID EVIL, and you believe in (one) GOD (ALLAH).
(Sura: Alay-Imran; Ayat:110)
**Sitaaron Pay Jo Daltay Hain Kamand!**
Shaheen=An Eagle or A Flacon!
(And yes it's a **MALE* Shaheen ;-)*
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the whole world was created in the love on (panjtan pak**
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so what bout so many messengers like Musa, Eassa, dawood , Adam.. Are u implying God love them less than Ahle-e-bait??? I think Prophethood stands above other people.. Besides Holy Prophet Muhammad next worthy are other messengers.. and they r eberywhere in Quran. creating the whole world just for those u r mentioning is strangest concept I have ever heard. this world was created for all human beings Messengers have come to guide people to straight path and all humans have equal chances and being anyomes relative even God's prophet doesnt make anyone superior to anyone..thats the esence of Islamic social justice. This is the only point which make Islam superior religion than others.
No disrespect to any ones religion , but the fact is that Shias and all the other sects of islam where created on a political and power bases than a religion one.
where in Quran did Allah say that ALI is next to Mohammed PBUH ? Please give me references.
how many Sura's are there in Quran according to Shi'a fiqh?
no one has answered my Question about "ashara mubashshara" yet!
FYI: ashara mubashshara are those ten people who in their lives were told that they would go to Heaven.
We oughta be Changez like, don't we?
One of the fundamental beliefs of Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama`ah that at times distinguishes them from heretics is their belief in the Companions of the Prophet (s.a.w.) and all that has been mentioned about their virtues, merits and characteristics in the Qur’an and Sunnah.
Companions are all those who met the Prophet (s.a.w.) and died as Muslims. Scholars have said that they were 114,000 in number [as stated by Abu Zur’ah, the teacher of Imam Muslim, and recorded by as-Suyootee]. They are praised in many Qur’anic verses: “You are the best of peoples ever raised for mankind, you enjoin good and forbid evil, and you believe in Allah.” [3:110] “And the first to embrace Islam of the Muhajiroon (the Emigrants from Makkah) and the Ansar (the citizens of Al-Madeenah who helped the Muhajiroon) and also those who followed them exactly (in Faith). Allah is well-pleased with them as they are well pleased with Him. He has prepared for them Gardens under which rivers flow, to dwell therein forever. That is the supreme success.” [9:100] “Indeed, Allah was pleased with the believers when they gave their pledge to you (O Muhammad) under the tree. He knew what was in their hearts and He sent down calmness and tranquility upon them…” [48:18]
Our Attitude Towards Them
Our attitude towards the Sahaba should be that of love, respect, peace and purity of our hearts and tongues. Allah has described this in His saying: “And those who come after them say: ‘Our Lord! Forgive us and our brethren who have preceded us in Faith, and put not in our hearts any hatred against those who have believed.’” [59:10] And the Prophet (s.a.w.) said, “The sign of faith is love of the Ansar and the sign of hypocrisy is the hatred of Ansar” [al-Bukharee, Muslim]. Why should we not be thankful to those who believed in the Prophet, assisted him, strove with their lives and wealth to make the Word of Allah supreme, preserved and transmitted to us our Religion? Who is more deserving that we pray for them and speak of them in the best manner and think of them with the best thoughts?
We should therefore mention their virtues and remain silent about any mistakes they made and about anything that occurred between them, as the Prophet (s.a.w.) advised us: “When my Companions are mentioned then withhold” [Saheeh, at-Tabaranee]. And he also said, “Do not abuse my Companions, for if any of you were to spend gold equal to (mountain of) Uhud in charity, it would not equal a handful of one of them or even half of that” [al-Bukharee, Muslim]. And he said, “Whoever abuses my Companions, upon them is the curse of Allah, the angels and all the people” [Saheeh, At-Tabaranee].
Muslim scholars have also been very strict in regard to the issue of speaking and thinking mistrustfully of the Sahaba. Imam Malik said that someone who finds in himself an ill-feeling or anger “ghaiDH” about the Companions is a kafir because Allah (s.w.t.) says “li-yagheeDHa bihim ul kuffar” that He may enrage the disbelievers with them, i.e. the Sahaba [48:29]. And the Ulama' also say if the Companions of the Prophet (s.a.w.) are disbelievers, dishonest or betrayed the Prophet, then the whole religion is undermined. Because how do we know what the Prophet (s.a.w.) said, if the Companions of the Prophet (s.a.w.) were not honest and truthful? We cannot be sure. And this also applies to the Qur'an, as we received the Qur'an through the Sahaba as well. Indeed, they were truthful and sincere, as Allah described them: "Among the believers are men who have been true to their covenant with Allah and showed not their backs to the disbelievers, of them some have fulfilled their obligations and some of them are still waiting, but they never changed (i.e. they never proved treacherous to their covenant which they concluded with Allah) in the least." [33:23] Hujjat ul Islam, Sufyan ibn Uyainah said: “He who speaks a single word against the Companions of Allah’s Messenger (s.a.w.) then he is an innovator.” And Imam Ahmad said: “If you see anyone speaking ill of the Companions of the Messenger of Allah, doubt his Islam.” And Adh-Dhahabee said, “Anyone who criticizes them or insults them has gone out of this religion and has seregated himself from the Muslim Ummah. He has disbelieved in what Allah the Most High says concerning them in His Book, and what Allah’s Messenger has said concerning their noble qualities and their merits… It is incumbent upon the Muslims to love Allah; to love His Messenger, to love what the Prophet brought as guidance and as his practise; to love his descendants, his Companions, his wives, his children, his servants, and to love those who love them and hate those who hate them, as this is the meaning of loving for Allah’s sake and hating for Allah’s sake, and that is the most excellent kind of faith.” In al-Kaba’ir (The Greatest Sins), we find that adh-Dhahabee also said, “The one who loves the Prophet loves and respects each and all of his Companions. To hate any of them is to hate the Prophet.” Al-Fudayl ibn `Iyyad spoke similarly when he said, “Indeed, I love those whom Allah loves. They are those from whom the Companions of Muhammad (s.a.w.) are safe. I hate those whom Allah hates. They are the people of the deviant sects and innovation.”
These statements of the great Imams of the Ummah should not surprise us, because a slight doubt about the Companions will in fact be accusing the Prophet himself of hiding the truth about them which he knew (that they were hypocrites, as heretics claim), but he did not tell us!! Or one is accusing him (s.a.w.) of being something like an imbecile, as Shaikh Ja’far Idris once spoke, because the Prophet, supposedly did not know although he lived with these people all the time. He thought that they were the best Muslims, but they were hypocrites. That is why al-Barbaharee said, “Know that anyone who tries to attack the Companions of Muhammad (s.a.w.) really seeks to attack Muhammad (s.a.w.).”
The Best of the Companions
We should note that the best of the Ummah, after the Prophet (s.a.w.) were Abu Bakr, then 'Umar, then 'Uthman, then 'Ali. As far as the Caliphate is concerned, Ibn Taymeeyah has said that anyone who “objects against anyone of these regarding this order of caliphate, he will be regarded more misguided than the domestic donkey.”
And Abdul-Azeez al-Qari said that Abu Haneefa “declared anyone who doubts the caliphate of Aboo Bakr and 'Umar is a disbeliever. He also declared anyone who slanders the Mother of the Believers 'A’isha to be a disbeliever. And he stated that the prayer behind a Rafidhee [extreme Shee’ah who curse and abuse the Companions] is invalid.”
Ahlus Sunnah also, “accept all the superiorities and grades that have been described about them in the Qur’an, the Hadith and by concensus. They give superiority to those who spent and fought for the sake of Allah before the victory, that is, truce of Hudaibiyah over those who spent and fought after that. They consider al-Muhajireen (those who migrated from Makkah to al-Madeenah for Islam) to be superior to al-Ansar (the helpers of al-Madeenah who supported the Muhajireen). They have faith in what Allah has said about the 313 persons on the occasion of the battle of Badr that, ‘they are free to do what they like, their sins are pardoned’ [al- Bukharee]. And none of those who gave their pledge to the Prophet (s.a.w.) under the tree will get into Fire as the Prophet (s.a.w.) has stated, ‘Allah is doubtlessly pleased with them and they are pleased with Allah.’ And they were more than 1400 about whom the Prophet (s.a.w.) bore witness that they will be admitted to Paradise [Muslim]. The Ahlus Sunnah also bear witness the admission to Paradise for them such as the ten Companions who have been given glad tiding of Paradise in this world by the Prophet.” [Al-aqeedatul Wasitiyyah of Shaikh ul-Islam Ibn Taymeeyah]
The Companions’ Noble Deeds
We believe that the Sahaba were not innocent of the minor or major sins, but their qualities and deeds were so virtuous and superior that they cause the pardon of the errors committed by them. We believe that if any of the Sahaba committed mistake, he either repented or performed such virtuous deeds that they are either pardoned or will be interceded for by the Prophet (s.a.w.) as they are most deserving of his intercession. Their Iihad, Hijra, knowledge, deeds and support for the Prophet (s.a.w.) will be a cause of pardon of their few mistakes. As for their Ijtihad, they are rewarded twice when they were correct, and once when their exertion to find the truth resulted in a wrong conclusion. And, as ash-Shafi’ee said, “I have allegiance for them and I seek Allah’s forgiveness for them, and for the people of Camel and Siffeen, those who killed and those who were killed, and all the companions of the Prophet in entirety.”
The deeds and virtues of the Sahaba, may Allah be pleased with them all, should be what every Muslim should strive to emulate to the best of one’s ability. Their behaviour and sincerity were praised by Allah and His Messenger (s.a.w.) and that suffices as proof.
As Ibn Mas’ood said, “Indeed Allah looked into the hearts of the servants and found the heart of Muhammad (s.a.w.) to be the best of the hearts of His servants and so He chose him for Himself and sent him as a Messenger. Then He looked into the hearts of His servants after Muhammad (s.a.w.) and found the hearts of the Companions to be the best of the hearts of the servants. So He made them ministers of His Messenger (s.a.w.) fighting for His Deen. So whatever the Muslims hold to be good then it is good with Allah and whatever the Muslims hold to be evil it is evil with Allah.” [Ahmad, at-Tayalasee]
The Sahaba were undoubtedly the best in terms of understanding the religious obligations, the Sunnah of the Prophet and the way of establishing the Islamic teachings. Their belief is an example for us, as Allah says in the Qur’an: “So if they believe in the like of that which you believe, they are rightly guided, but if they turn away, then they are only in opposition. So Allah will suffice you against them. And He is the All-Hearer, the All-Knower.” [2:137]
The Best of People
And they are the best people, to which the Prophet (s.a.w.) referred to in the Hadith: “The best of my people are my generation then those who come after them, then those who come after them, then there will come a people in whom there will be no good.” [At-Tabaranee, authenticated by al-Albanee] Also, in al-Bukharee, “The best of the people are my generation, then those after them, then those after them…” This is also reported by Muslim, Aboo Dawood, at-Tirmidhee, An-Nasa’ee and others.
The Prophet (s.a.w.) also said, “…and my Ummah will divide into seventy-three sects.” [Aboo Dawood, at-Tirmidhee, Ibn Majah, al-Hakim, Ahmad, authenticated by at-Tirmidhee, al Hakim, ibn Taymeeyah, as-Suyootee, al-Manawee, ash-Shatibee, adh-Dhahabee and al-Albanee]. In another Hadith that is hasan, the Prophet (s.a.w.) explained which one is the saved sect: “Al- Jama`ah” [Ibn Majah]. In another Hasan Hadith the Prophet (s.a.w.) said, “The tribes of Israel broke into seventy- two sects. My Ummah shall break up into seventy-three sects. All of them will be in the Fire, except one: what I am upon and my Companions.” [At-Tirmidhee]
Following Their Footsteps
All this should suffice as evidence that the correct understanding of Islam is that of the first three generations and all those that follow their path, in truth. There is no disagreement among Muslim scholars that the best generations of Islam are to be followed, that the interpretation of the Qur’an and Sunnah they agreed upon is regarded as the correct one, and that we are to approach the Deen in the manner they approached it. We are obliged to follow them, and that means, first and foremost, to have the same creed as they did, no deviations, no additions and no deletions. We also have to approach `ibadah in the same way, no innovations, no additions and no deletions. We take all of the Sunnah and refer all disagreements to Allah and His Messenger, as Allah (s.w.t.) commanded us in the Qur’an [4:59]. To follow the Sahaba does not only mean to have the same understanding of the prescripts of belief as they did. That belief must be manifested in our actions and to follow the Sahaba also means to possess their other characteristics, some of which have been identified by our scholars as:
The full acceptance of the Revelation
The deep influence of the faith and the revelation on one’s life
The application of this knowledge to the individual and collective life
Inviting others to do good deeds
Enjoining what is right and forbidding what is wrong
Giving advice to every Muslim
Practicing Jihad for the Sake of Allah
Also, the Sahaba presented every action according to the scales of the Sharee`ah, they used to remember and think a lot about death, they were forgiving to those who wronged them in any way, they had a great respect for the honour of other Muslims, for whom they desired only good, they were mindful of their prayers, they used to put the Hereafter before this Dunya, they realized that they could not thank Allah enough and they stayed away from the sinful and their gatherings. Allah, The Exalted, most appropriately describes them: “Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and those who are with him (the Companions) are severe against disbelievers, and merciful among themselves. You see them bowing and falling down prostrate (in prayer), seeking Bounty from Allah and (His) Good Pleasure. The mark of them (i.e. of their faith) is no their faces (foreheads) from the traces of (their) prostration (during prayers).” [48:29] We ask Allah to enable us to learn about the lives of the Sahaba and to make our lives resemble theirs. For, as Ibn Taymeeyah said, “Whoever will read their biographies with understanding and insight, and will come to know the rewards bestowed by Allah upon them, he will certainly realise that these are the best among humans after the Prophets. Neither there has been anyone like them nor will there be.” By Br. Isa Al-Bosnee [This article was published in the 14th issue of Nida’ul Islam magazine (http://www.islam.org.au), July-September 1996]
You (Muslims) are the best nation ever raised among the mankind: (because) you
advocate righteousness and FORBID EVIL, and you believe in (one) GOD (ALLAH).
(Sura: Alay-Imran; Ayat:110)
Sitaaron Pay Jo Daltay Hain Kamand!
Shaheen=An Eagle or A Flacon!
(And yes it’s a MALE Shaheen 
Changez
There is no Ayat in the Qur'aan that states Hazrat Ali RA is next to Allah's Messsenger PBUH.
Farhina just does'nt have a clue. If you read any of her responses, they all border around ( I hate everyone except those that are like me). Her knowledge is very limited so much that it is a crime for her to make any comment. In order to prove this point, just ask her some questions regarding Islam or any other faith on a non-sectarian view and she will fall to pieces. She doesn't even know what it means. There are some people that think with the wrong heads, and she is a classic case. I give no apologies for my stance.
The ten Ashar-i-Mubbashara you refer to were:
Abu Bakr,Umar,Uthman,Ali,Talha,Zubair,Abdur Rahman ibni Auf,S'ad bin Abi Waqqas,S'ad bin Zaid and Abu 'Ubeidah ( may Allah be pleased with them). They have also been mentioned in the Hindu scriptures known as Dash asrijah - 'ten bouquets from the Paradise'.
chanday baz dont believe everything thats in ur sahi books
A simple question.
You always disrespect Hazrat Aisha (ra) so much. Let me ask you, are questioning the judgement capabilites of the Holy Prophet (PBUH)?? Are you saying that our Holy Prophet married such a woman you say she was? And then stay with her for the rest of His life? Even die in her house ? You so called quranic experts, what about this:
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YUSUFALI: O Consorts of the Prophet! Ye are not like any of the (other) women: if ye do fear (Allah), be not too complacent of speech, lest one in whose heart is a disease should be moved with desire: but speak ye a speech (that is) just.
PICKTHAL: O ye wives of the Prophet! Ye are not like any other women. If ye keep your duty (to Allah), then be not soft of speech, lest he in whose heart is a disease aspire (to you), but utter customary speech.
SHAKIR: O wives of the Prophet! you are not like any other of the women; If you will be on your guard, then be not soft in (your) speech, lest he in whose heart is a disease yearn; and speak a good word.
KHALIFA: O wives of the prophet, you are not the same as any other women, if you observe righteousness. (You have a greater responsibility.) Therefore, you shall not speak too softly, lest those with disease in their hearts may get the wrong ideas; you shall speak only righteousness.
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Even the holy Quran gives them a high status. Who are YOU to degrade the wife of the holy Prophet? Your beleifs are so full of contradictons, hypocracy and lies.
I could have elaborated on more of your weak beleifs. But this will suffice.
May Allah show us the right path.
~Survival of the smartest~
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**A simple question.
You always disrespect Hazrat Aisha (ra) so much. Let me ask you, are questioning the judgement capabilites of the Holy Prophet (PBUH)?? Are you saying that our Holy Prophet married such a woman you say she was? And then stay with her for the rest of His life? Even die in her house ? You so called quranic experts, what about this:
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YUSUFALI: O Consorts of the Prophet! Ye are not like any of the (other) women: if ye do fear (Allah), be not too complacent of speech, lest one in whose heart is a disease should be moved with desire: but speak ye a speech (that is) just.
PICKTHAL: O ye wives of the Prophet! Ye are not like any other women. If ye keep your duty (to Allah), then be not soft of speech, lest he in whose heart is a disease aspire (to you), but utter customary speech.
SHAKIR: O wives of the Prophet! you are not like any other of the women; If you will be on your guard, then be not soft in (your) speech, lest he in whose heart is a disease yearn; and speak a good word.
KHALIFA: O wives of the prophet, you are not the same as any other women, if you observe righteousness. (You have a greater responsibility.) Therefore, you shall not speak too softly, lest those with disease in their hearts may get the wrong ideas; you shall speak only righteousness.
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Even the holy Quran gives them a high status. Who are YOU to degrade the wife of the holy Prophet? Your beleifs are so full of contradictons, hypocracy and lies.
I could have elaborated on more of your weak beleifs. But this will suffice.
May Allah show us the right path.
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ever tried reading rest of the quran....
I was so digusted to see so much hatred between Shias and Sunnis. It is very evident and clear that that the separation of these sects occurred due to poliitical reasons... nothing to do with the religion itself. In contemporary times, many shias and sunnis fabricated myths about each other's sect declaring each the as non muslim. I have a lot to say but I am not going to.
Perhaps I have one question.... I am not declaring anything but as far as I know, many sunnis believe that shias are non muslim because of their first Kalima I think. They have added "ali wali wasi allah" ..please pardon my mistake if i have written it incorrectly. Now, it is stated widely all over in Quran that those who add anything in the original words of Allah are kafirs. Now my question to fellow shia brothers and sisters. Don't you think adding such a thing to first Kalima is wrong perhaps committing a capital sin???
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Originally posted by LaDy iNtElleCT:
**I was so digusted to see so much hatred between Shias and Sunnis. It is very evident and clear that that the separation of these sects occurred due to poliitical reasons... nothing to do with the religion itself. In contemporary times, many shias and sunnis fabricated myths about each other's sect declaring each the as non muslim. I have a lot to say but I am not going to.
Perhaps I have one question.... I am not declaring anything but as far as I know, many sunnis believe that shias are non muslim because of their first Kalima I think. They have added "ali wali wasi allah" ..please pardon my mistake if i have written it incorrectly. Now, it is stated widely all over in Quran that those who add anything in the original words of Allah are kafirs. Now my question to fellow shia brothers and sisters. Don't you think adding such a thing to first Kalima is wrong perhaps committing a capital sin???
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Assalam Alaikum Sister,
According to both sects, the following verse was revealed in reference to Hazrat Ali(as):
"Only Allah is your Friend and His Apostle and those who believe, those who keep up prayers and pay the poor-rate while they bow." (5:55)
For more references you can read the following sunni books.
Ibn Maghazili Faqih Shafi'i in his Manaqib,
Jalalu'd-Din Suyuti in Durr-e-Mansur,Ahmad Tha'labi, in Kashfu'l-Bayan, Sibt Ibn Jauzi in Tadhkiratu'l-Khawasu'l-Umma in connection with the verse of Wilaya quotes from Abu Dharr Ghifari and Asma Bint Umais (wife of Abu Bakr) that they said that one day they offered their noon prayers in the mosque when the Prophet was present. A beggar began asking for alms. No one gave him anything. Ali was bowing (in the ritual bow). When he pointed to his finger, the beggar removed the ring from his finger.
So its proven that Hazrath Ali Is called WALI-ALLAH by the quran itself.
Let me highlight another occasion from hazoor's life. The Battle of Khaibar was an important event of the Prophet's life, recorded in detail by historians of both sects. Hafiz Abu Nu'aim Ispahani in his Hilyatu'l-Auliya, Volume I, page 62, Muhammad Bin Talha Shafi'i in Matalibu's-Su'ul, page 40, from the Sira of Ibn Hisham, Muhammad Bin Yusuf Ganji Shafi'i in Kifayatu't-Talib, Chapter 14, and many others of sunni ulema have recorded this event. But the most authentic narrations are those of two great scholars: Muhammad Bin Isma'il Bukhari, who writes in his Sahih, Volume II, printed in Egypt, 1320 A.H., page 100, and Muslim Bin Hujjaj, who writes in his Sahih, Volume II, printed in Egypt, 1320 A.H., page 324, that "MANY TOP COMPANIONS FLED". I dont wish to insult anyone here. In summary, the jewsih khaibar could not be conquered.
Then hazoor at last announced. "Tommaro I will give the flag to a person, who will have Allah as his friend and ALlah will have him as his friends and he will win the khaibar"
History testifies that no-one could sleep that night. NExt morning hazoor gave the flag to HAzrat Ali (as) and he went and conquered Khaibar.
What makes you say now that we have added "wali allah" by ourselves???
Paglu,
No one can deny Hazrat Ali's place as great muslim and all respect that. But if someone says that the world was created for some human beings like Ahle-e-Bait then I must say am offended as a human being. What about the billions of people born before Islam ? They were all humans and due their own hard work earned the great honor and by not just given to them. I respect and admire Hazrat Alis's service to Islam and his knowledge which he gained from Hazrat Muhammed (P.B.U.H) and not dueto something given to him in which he had no contribution.
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Originally posted by Degas:
Paglu,
No one can deny Hazrat Ali's place as great muslim and all respect that. But if someone says that the world was created for some human beings like Ahle-e-Bait then I must say am offended as a human being. What about the billions of people born before Islam ? They were all humans and due their own hard work earned the great honor and by not just given to them. I respect and admire Hazrat Alis's service to Islam and his knowledge which he gained from Hazrat Muhammed (P.B.U.H) and not dueto something given to him in which he had no contribution.
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Degas bhae, Everyone has their own way of looking things. If Farhina holds a certain view then I cant answer on her behalf.
Sister above asked a simple question about why shias say "Aliyan wali ullah" and i answered from quran and the prominent sunni books.
If you wish to ask any question about Imam Ali (as) or shias then you are most welcome to ask too. My belief about Hazrat Ali (as),that i gained from reading history and Quran is that he was the first to testify prophethood, the most dear one to hazoor, born inside khana-e-kaaba and the chosen deputy and successor of the prophet (pbuh).
Paglu,
ok dude I respect ur belief..