ARE SHIAS MUSLIMS? WHO WANT TO DEBATE?

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ARE SHIAS MUSLIMS? WHO WANT TO DEBATE?

I dealogical attacks against Islaam have caused considerable demage among Ummah. Another factor that has contributed after 17th century is that most of the Muslim countries were colonized by Kuffar. Where Christian Aryans and their missionaries planted seeds of systamatical ignorace. The only way Muslims can get the old glory back is to revert to Islaam.

2Pak Shakoor, I invite you to debate with me as Shia (which you are) about Shiaism. I would like to see facts with reason and logic. I begin by saying that Shias are NOT Muslims? You think you can prove me wrong? Below are some facts from Shiaism to break the ice. I’ll be posting more facts soon. Please let us begin our debate.

THIS IS SHIAISM
SPARE A MINUTE-READ - SAVE YOUR IMAAN

ALLAAH

1.) He has the Quality of ‘Badaa’.
2.) This means he forgets.
3.) He makes mistakes.
4.) He plans but this does not take effect.
5.) He does not know who to appoint as the next message conveyor, the next Imaam.
6.) “We (shias) do not worship such a god who gives authority to rascals like Yazid, Mu’awiyyah and Uthmaan.”
7.) They say “Ali says…I am the first and I am the last. I am the manifest and I am the hidden and I am the heir of earth.”
8.) Shias say that the Imaams are the face of Allaah,
9.) The eyes of Allaah among his creation.
10.) The tongue of Allaah among his creation.

References :
(1.) Usul Kafi- Babul bad’aa - Al- Kafi Vol- 1 -P283 India Ed.( 2.) Ibid
(3.) Ibid .(4.) Ibid. (5.) Ibid. (6.) Kashful Asraar - 107 - Khomeni.. (7.) Rijaal Kashsi . 138. India Print. (8.) Usul- e-Kaafi -83. (9.) Ibid. 10.)Ibid.
NEW KALIMAH

1.) Laa ilaaha illaahu Muhammadur Rasulullaah -Alli waliyullah, Khomeni Hujjatulillaah
2.) Laa Illaaha Muhammdur - Rasulullah, Ali waliyullah wazi Rasulullah was Khalifauhu bila Faslein"
3.) - Shia ‘Islaam’ based on 5 pillars - Salaat, Zakaat, Fasting, Hajj, Wilaayat.
4.) - Azaan is “Ash Hadu Anna - alian Waliullah Wasu Rasulullah was Khalifatu hu bila faslrin”

References:
(1.) Wahdat Islaami - June 84 P1- monthly Iranian Goverment. Periodical.
(2.) Ali Waliullah - Abdul Kareem Mushtaq. (3.) Usul- Kafi. 4.) Listen in Arafaat.

MORE 2 COME!

Bubble Buster
“You mess with the BEST
You LOSE like the REST!”

[This message has been edited by Bubble Buster (edited April 07, 2000).]

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yaar BB aap kafi Scientific Molvi lagtay hayn paishay kay aitibaar say :wink:

check it people: :wink:

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2Pak (Shakoor):

Where are you boy? You are avoiding this thread boy. What is wrong now? Are we having fun yet?

BB, screw his Shi'tte a$$ good. Post some more facts.

Ghazi
Facts Are The Authority!

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Ghazi
Facts Are The Authority!

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You think I actually give a fucking damn about what the fuck you homosexuals say?? I don't give a fuck about any religion. I don't practice any god damn religion so just keep on debating with your fucking self.

Grab your glocks when you see 2PaK
Call the cops when you see 2PaK

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[quote]
Originally posted by 2PaK:
**You think I actually give a fucking damn about what the fuck you homosexuals say?? I don't give a fuck about any religion. I don't practice any god damn religion so just keep on debating with your fucking self.

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[/quote]

Aha, O'baby, I have gotten under your skin. I can tell that. You lost your composure boy.

Boy 2Pak, you admitted and posted on this forum that you are Shia and you kill Israelis blah, blah.

Now you have changed your story when I put fire under your rear bottom. You said it is fun to annoy Ghazi, no baby it is not. You morons mess with us we will put are stinky a$$ on fire and we will make a olympic torch out of it that can't be put off.

Wait for the next dose of TRUTH from BB.

Bubble Buster
"You mess with the BEST
You LOSE like the REST!"

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2Pak:

Refute this boy. Ain't it FUN to annoy you. I don't BS like you boy.

THIS IS SHIAISM, THIS IS WHAT THEY BELIEVE AND PRACTICE.

*IMAAMOLOGY *

1.) They believe in 12 Imaams after Rasulullaah (S.A.W).
2.) First being Ali (R.A).
3.) Last being the 12th Imaam

4.) Who is in a Cave 'Surra - Man- Raa'.
5.) Imaams they believe are Masoom- innocent.
6.) They can make Halaal- Haraam and Haraam - Halaal .
7.) They can change Deen- Sharia.
8.) They are born of their mothers thighs.
9.) They have the knowledge of the Unseen.
10.) They say Imaams are higher in status than the Ambiyaa including our Nabi(S.A.W).
11.) No concession regarding Wilaayah- (absolute necessary belief).
12.) If one does not accept Imaams then one is a Kaafir.

*References: *

(1.) Usul -e - Kafi. (2.) Usul -e - Kafi. (3.) Usul -e - Kafi. (4.) Usul -e - Kafi. (5.) Usul -e - Kafi Vol 1 P225 / Kafi - Kitaabul Hujjuah. (6.) Usul -e - Kafi Vol 1 P225. (7.) Ibid. (8.) Ibid /Haqqul Yaqeen P126.(9.) Usul -e - Kafi Vol 1 P225. (10.) Ibid / Al Hukumatul - Islaamiyaa - 52 Khomeni. Hayaatul Qutoob Vol 3, P10 /Ibid Vol 2. P787. Footnote. (11.) Usul -e- Kafi Vol 2. P278. (12.) Usul -e- Kafi Vol 1. P225.

The 12th Imaam

1.) When he comes he will bring the original Quraan.
2.) He is in hiding, in a cave.
3.) He is alive observing the world, in totallity.
4.) When he comes, he will be naked. Rasulullaah (S.A.W) will swear Allegiance to him. (Allaah protect us).
5.) He will first dig the grave of Abu Bakr (R.A) and Umar (R.A),then hang them on a stake - for all sins of mankind.
6.) He will remove the body of Ayesha (R.A) and implement the same punished for Zina.
7.) He will then kill the Sunni Scholars.
8.) Punish the Muslim Ummuah.
9.) First kill Ahle - Sunnah, then Ulama, then Kuffar .

References:

(1.) Usul-e- Kafi. (2.) Islaamic Goverment P42/ Usul -e- Kafi P340. (3.) Hukumatal Islaamia -P52. (4.) Haqqul Yaqeen 2/227- 2/347. (5.) Haqqul Yaqeen P 361/2. (6.) Also Vol 2 P 611/ Haqqul Yaqeen - P 347/ Mullah Baqir Majlisi. (7.) Furoo Kafi - Kitaabul Raudah - P 527 also Tafseer Majmanul Bayan/ Hayaatul Qulub Vol2 P 611. (8.) Hayaatul Qulub Vol2 P 611.( 9.) Haqqul Yaqeen- Vol 2. P 527 ASlo Maj Manul Bayaan.

Bubble Buster
"You mess with the BEST
You LOSE like the REST!"

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Ok I let this thread go unclosed because I thought may be it will induce some good discussion, but apparently I was wrong.