ARE SHARIAH LAWS ANTI-ALLAH ?

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I believe Sharia laws are actually Anti-ALLAH! Here’s Why:

Islam says Allah is Rehaman-ir-Rahim or, God is Compassionate & Merciful! But, I do not find anything in the Islamic laws that would point to Compassion or Mercy, in either words or practise!

I believe that the sharia laws or interpretations that guide us in this complex world have to REFLECT the current time & place; and, these shariah laws do not!

Lest one digress, be clear that Islam is a complete way of life and, this completeness includes:Culture & Traditions! Please avoid posting a lot of thingies about the goodness of Sharia which cannot be corroborated to any societies of Islam.

The points of contention are these:
1)I call these sharia laws “EVIL and ANTI-ALLAH”; while,
Orthodox Islam calls the sharia “designed to protect man from evil and benefit everyone in the community, the rich and the poor, the rulers and the ruled, the men and the women”.

2)I call sharia laws “outdated and obsolete” and, demand that they/interpretations reflect time & place; while,
Orthodox Islam calls these sharia laws “static and unchangeable”.

3)I consider only Quran to be for all eternity;while,
the Orthodox Islam wants the Quran, all of Sunnah - authenticated or not, the 4 sunni taqlids, and the Sharia laws to be considered “pristine and for all eternity”.

I am not claiming to be the Messiah with all the answers. I am stating, rather categorically, that the sharia laws and its followers as Anti-ALLAH!

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Logical, I agree with you.

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Could you please list few of the Shariah laws you are talking about? Thanks.

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Logical

Can you please provide "specific" Sharia laws that you believe are ant-Allah ?

If you do not have specific examples please refrain from making such bold statements as "I demand......".

Peace

Kaleem

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Dear Roman

I was waiting for someone to make some noise which Kaleem actually did. Thank you, Kaleem!

These Islamic laws were discussed recently in various threads, for example:
CAN A MUSLIM WOMAN DIVORCE HER HUSBAND?
SEX ASSAULTS SHOOTS UP IN ISLAMIC PAKISTAN!
MUSLIM WOMAN & NON-MUSLIM SHARE SAME FATE!
There have been quite a few others.

Saudi Arabia & Afghanistan rule strictly by the Shariah laws based on Quran and Sunnah. So, we have a real live reference point to go to or, evaluate how these laws are be used or abused.

INTRODUCTION: The shariah affects all aspects of a muslim's life: Personal, Commercial, Matrimonial, Crime, Finance, Property, Relations with Non-Muslims, etc.

1)Islamic Laws on Women:
These laws regulates a woman's position in the Society: Laws on Education, Work, Marriage, Status within marriage,Divorce, Inheritance, Property, Adultery, Contracts, Women as witness, Movement, Dress, Veils.

2)Islamic Laws on Kafirs:
Defnition of kafirs, social & economical status of kafirs, legal discrimination against those defined as kafirs, killing of kafirs encouraged using religious texts, Hatred preached against Kafirs in religious institutions, madrasas.

3)Islamic Laws on Apostasy:
Lack of freedom to practise one's faith, Total restriction on criticism of Islam and its Prophet, Conversion of muslims prohibited, Conversion of non-muslims permitted, Powers to jail without trial, Penalty of death in cases of blasphemy, Pakistan's blasphemey law.

4)Islamic Laws on Crimes:
Stoning to death, Beheading, Amputation of limbs, Honour killings, Rise in rapes & gang rapes.

5)Islamic Laws on Human Rights:
Human Rights are according to the Shariah; thus, no freedom of choose, express and live according to one's conviction & preferences. Most of sharia laws contravene the human rights code.

6)Islamic Laws on Media & Entertainment:
Recent examples of trashing televisions, vcrs, movie houses; closing down of newspapers; ban on magazines, newspapers, etc.

CONCLUSION: The above are some shariah laws that we are all, more or less, familar with and have our own opinions on them.

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I beg to differ, Conclusion: Logic u wrote alot but did not say anything at all to further the point you are trying to prove.

All you did was give the specific areas in which Shariah Laws are implemented. If you believe these laws to be 'Anti-Allah', then please state which ones specifically and your reasons why.

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Logical your not logical after all. Why would allah creat laws that are anti-him self?

Jaawan

Till next time**Keep_It_Simple_Stupid**©

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Hey Girl,
You gonna make me work, aren't ya? Okay, I shall describe several later.

Jawa'an:
This is a common mistake that we muslims make! God did not create Sharia or Islamic Laws, men did; or, for Sunni Islam, the sharia laws were created by their theologians; and, this was based on Quran & Sunnah. God, of course created Quran and, Quran alone is forever!

Sharia law is similar to a country's constitution that were drafted to govern the Islamic States! One doesn't go around claiming that the constitution of the United States cannot be revised or is forever. If some laws causes more harm than good then either get rid of ot or revise it; that's what Allah would want us to do!

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Logical,

     I agree with alot of what you are saying. Shariah laws were made by MEN, for MEN and also implemented for MEN.They should reflect the changing society.
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OK you guys! Let discuss your “Tribal Ritual” that is supposed to be ALLAH REHMAN-IR-RAHIM! Show me where the beef is?

Here’s the list of topics that has Sharia Laws in reference to Women, Non-Believers, Kafirs, Human Rights, Jihad!

CAN A MUSLIM WOMAN DIVORCE HER HUSBAND? http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/Forum13/HTML/000987.html

Muslim Women & Non-Muslims Share Same Fate! http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/Forum13/HTML/001016.html

Islamic Terrorism http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/Forum13/HTML/000971.html

WHEN ISLAMIC LAWS COLLIDE WITH PROGRESS! http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/Forum13/HTML/000852.html

120 Wives and Counting… http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/Forum13/HTML/000973.html

DIVORCE by e-mail ! http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/Forum13/HTML/000981.html

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Logical, can you please give me a few examples of Sharia laws that don't reflect the current time and place, and explain why you think they don't. Also, tell me what laws would reflect the the time and place where the ones you listed don't.
It has always been my opinion that Sharia laws are good for all time, and if they don't apply in certain situations, you just can't implement them, period.
Anyway, so far you have failed to convince me that Sharia laws are anti-Allah.

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Hey logical, let's take your argument and analyze it logically.

The laws of Shariah are derived from the Qur'an, a revelation from Allah, who is PERFECT, who created all that is in the heavens and the earth.

Whereas the USA laws are made by men, usually based upon their whims & desires. Then they waste millions on studying how effective their laws are.

Study the history of Islaam, you wil come across only a few cases of cutting off of a hand or stoning to death, not that it is not efficient, but because of the security realized through those strict punishments.

Despite the USA and other nations being in possesion of the most deadly and sophisticated weapons and equipment, crime is only increasing and criminals are gaining ground. Despite trying to 'reform' and improving the 'morality and behaviour' of the criminals, it is evident to all that after half a century of tolerant treatment of convicts the result is an increase in crime. So their people continue to lead a life of fear and insecurity at home, in the office, in the factory or in the street.

And it is unfair to take one of the laws of Shariah and criticise it out of context,

E.g. INHERITANCE OF A MAN AND A WOMAN

In Islaam the man inherits twice as much as the woman, not because she is considered inferior but several other reasons. It reflects differences in the nature of their work, qualifications and abilities. For e.g. the man alone is made to bear the costs of the wedding ceremony, living quarters, providing food, clothes, shelter, etc. for his wife and children and not the other way around. So the man has to spend his share on all that he is responsible for, whereas the woman can keep it all to herself.

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Salafi,

You say shariah laws are from God; that's very faithful of you?

Could you name some sharia'h laws that reflects the kindness, compassion of that God? After all, isn't Allah supposed to be Rahaman-ir-Rahim or, Allah is Compassionate & Merciful?

However, you did quote the "inheritance law" to claim that the law actually favours woman and, maybe God is indeed compassionate & merciful. BTW, the share is not half for a woman; in some cases it is like 1/8th the share of a male.

And, when you say re: the woman's share of inheritance, "....the woman can keep it all to herself."

Really? In rural pakistan, a woman has "nothing" of her own; not even her life!

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Faceup, since you scream and chant about morales, compassion and mercy, try applying it to yourself first. Before you start giving definitions upon what is Shariah, find out what it is first.
Shariah is the rules and regulations that Allah and his Messenger(saw) has commanded mankind with, with respect to them as individuals and as a community. The Shariah rulings are derived from the Qur'an and Sunnah. Not necessarily what certain muslims are doing, especially when the people you are talking about have been highly influenced by the hindus and the colonialists. But if these people are doing this as you claim in rural Pakistan, then I agree with you, it is WRONG.

Yes Allah is Compassionate and Merciful, this does not contradict the punishment of those who transgress the bounds set by Allah. Insha Allah, very soon I will tell you how these laws reflect the compassion and mercy of Allah.

But first, what is more important is to EXPOSE you and your clan of 'modernist' muslims which you seem to belong to, manufactured by the colonialists in order to destroy Islaam.

These modernists claim that they "believe in the Qur'an, however it is not necessary nor required to follow the commands of the Messenger(saw)". And here are just a few proofs from the Qur'an itself in refutation of that.

"Oh you who believe, obey Allah and obey the Messenger and make not your deeds vain."(47:33)
"And We have sent you (O Muhammed)as a Messenger to mankind, and Allah is sufficient as a witness. He who obeys the Messenger has indeed obeyed Allah.."(4:79-80)

My question to you people is, how did this Qur'an come to you? Was this Qur'an not recorded, memorized and narrated to us by the very same people who strictly adhered to the Sunnah of the Messenger(saw) and whom you are making such accusations against, and from whose works you will find that they definitley believed that this Shariah is for eternity. So how can you believe in a Qur'an which has been narrated to us through those great scholars.

Or did the Qur'an and it's understanding come to you, through other sources. Like the Jews who realized they couldn't destroy Islaam on the battlefield, so they started 'converting' to Islaam, in order to destroy it from within by bringing in impure thoughts and beliefs, which the likes of you are following today, much like the hindus who became muslims in India and bought their culture in to Islaam. Without wanting to make this article too long I will end it here, however if required I can bring many more proofs against these people.

NB: logical, next time you say "that's what Allah would want us to do." quote your evidence from Allah(i.e. Qur'an), because you could be telling a lie against Allah.

"Say: the things that my Lord has forbidden are: shameful deeds, whether open or secret, sins, assigining of partners with Allah, for which He has given no authority AND SAYING THINGS ABOUT ALLAH OF WHICH YOU HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE." (7:33)

[This message has been edited by salafi (edited June 21, 2000).]

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Salafi,

For the hundred time, I know that most muslims consider sharia'h to be from Allah; but even God's laws have to reflect time & place and, these laws do not. That's is why you cannot relate compassion, mercy to these out-dated & archaic laws!

You may clamour that ALLAH IS REHMAN, RAHIM but you cannot prove it in the way Islam is practised because there is nothing in these laws to suggest Rahman, Rahim or, Compassion, Mercy!

Before you try & hide behind the sham of culture ; let me remind you that Islam is a complete way of life and this encompasses everything including culture & tradition.

Can you name any Islamic country where sharia'h laws work in a way that reflects Allah's compassion & mercy; after all we say Islam is a message of Peace and Allah is Compassionate & Merciful. So, show me where the proof of that compassion & mercy is in Islam or its sharia'h law?

The point in all this is: the Sharia'h laws are out of place, obsolete and needs to reflect time & place! What was good in the 7th century is totally out of place in the 21st century.

Your long song & dance was just that ! It did not answer the issue that I was raising! All you did was posted thingies that had only good sound affects!

[This message has been edited by faceup (edited June 21, 2000).]

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Faceup,

I agree with you about Shariah. The Shariah is an interpretation of Islam of a particular group of men at a particular time. The laws they made were certainly colored by the prejudices of the time. What makes this particular interpretation more valid than an interpretation done in our time would be?

You keep bringing up inheritance. Why don't you look a little further into the Shariah and find some other examples to support your arguments, which are somewhat circular?

As far as I understand it, one of the ways that Shariah goes wrong is, whenever there is some room for interpretation, it interprets in favor of men, and against women (there are other biases as well). For example, there are clear statements in the Quran saying that a man can have a divorce, thus men are granted this right in Shariah. There is a place where it says something like, "Do not hold your women in marriage against their will, in order to inflict hardship on them." This could EASILY have been interpreted to mean that women also have the right to get out of an oppressive marriage. However, the men who made the Shariah chose to make laws that only men have the absolute right to divorce.

Further, God says that he abhors divorce, and then it should be avoided at all costs, however, the Shariah puts absolutely no restriction on divorce for men. It's as easy as saying one phrase three times. If Shariah had been made with the interests of women in mind, there would have been SOME sort of process to curb the practice of divorce on demand by men.

We are so used to hearing these Shariah laws, and hearing that they are supposedly based on Quran, that we forget to evaluate them and to think about them logically. Shariah is not the word of God, it is ONE INTERPRETATION of the word of God. I agree with Faceup that it is time for a new interpretation. The Quran's message is for all time, yes, but God did not write the Shariah. Let's go back to the Quran again and try again.

Zara

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Does this discussion not prove the constant need of Divine Guidance? Is there any reason that we enforce Finality of Prophethood?

I possess the view that a God who is Rahman and Rahim sends constant divine guidance. He watches, like he used to watch in the past, and he speaks, like he used to speak in the past.

God had Promissed divine guidance through a Messiah, and only that divine guidance can bring about a modern interpretation of the Laws of the Shariah.

Since I believe in Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian as the Promissed Messiah of the times, and a Prophet and a Messenger subordinate to Prophet Mohammad and the Koran, I do not face the problem of outdated shariah laws, nor of fourteen hundred year old stories out of which you are to sort out the true ones from the false ones. God has sent his Messenger to re impress upon the world, the teachings of Prophet Mohammad, with complete modern interpretations of all laws. I live in a community where I can safely say that Islam is not an outdated religion, but a religion that updates the philosophies of the world.

.....So they turned away from him and said, '' A man tutored, possessed! ''
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Paagal Insaan!

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Logical or Faceup,
Can you please give examples of Sharia laws which do not reflect the current time and place, and suggest some alternatives?

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Really? In rural pakistan, a woman has "nothing" of her own; not even her life!
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What's the point of mentioning this? It is completely irrelevant when talking about Sharia. Except unless you use it to show that Sharia laws aren't implemented completely in Pakistan.

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faceup squeaked:

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In rural pakistan, a woman has "nothing" of her own; not even her life!
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Have you ever been to rural Pakistan faceup? most of the maaiyaN there would chew you up and spit out the bones.

Now do tell us...who should be responsible for revising these outdated shariah laws which are anti-Allah? How can we bring them more into line with today's thinking?

People who study the Quran obviously have no idea what Allah is thinking from your point of view. Maybe Monica Lewinsky would do a better job?

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Asif, ya’ar,

Sharia’h laws governs Islamic societies; so, pls visit the below two links to learn about the abuses & inequities of shariah laws.

PLS NOTE (VERY IMPORTANT) The inequities wouldn’t be there if the laws were made to reflect current time & place; and, as Zara, so rightfully said: Let’s go back to the quran and try again to come up with interpretations & laws that work.

For example, if you read the first link, it explains the treatment of non-muslims according to the sharia laws.
The second links lists the inequalities that women suffer due to the choking sharia laws.

After you do that then pls tell me why these laws are not anti-allah!

1)Muslim Women & Non-Muslims Share Same Fate! http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/Forum13/HTML/001016.html

2)CAN A MUSLIM WOMAN DIVORCE HER HUSBAND? http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/Forum13/HTML/000987.html