Are men and women equal?

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how about giving birth?

[quote=“Nemesis”]
I thought we were desexualizing males and females to make the comparison? If not, then this exercise is futile.
All I am saying if men and women were asexual beings and seperate species, women would never be able to rule the world. Women would be captives and nothing more.

but they are not.

and do u disagree with it?

who selected the “NEXT” thing for u? how about u select the “NEXT” thing from the list i gave u in the previous post?

i know no female apes PERIOD.

why do u keep on talking about battle? why are you trying to prove a man’s strength through rape and torture?

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:rotfl: you wanna argue from the point of view of evolution? from the point of view of evolution do u know that the female would sit and the male chimps would COMPETE to mate with her?

from the point of evolution, the female LET the male think they are superior so that men would provide them with security…the male gladly agreed in order to protect their kids (lineage).

it has become a fundamental pillar to the way society is constructed. no way does it mean that the female is inferior to the man…

Time Pass foR Poetry
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I like the way you answer my questions and queries with questions. Good tactic and my waste of time.

Read again: Comparing men to women is like comparing apples to oranges, unless you desexualize them and think of them as different race, ethnicity or species.

If you wont, then they complement each other. One cannot surivive without the other; hence, the makes this whole excerise, debate futile and pointless.

JHUMKA JAAN
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Again, lets desexualize the sexes, and look at it.

why dont you suggest what a good metric or trait should be to differentiate between the superiority of two breeds of asexual horses which have equal intelligence, but different strength and physical size?

No, just stating an example that endurance without real physical strength is useless. It is important, but secondary.
Rape is cited because you keep bringing in the sex factors.. WOuld emotional endurance still help females in a a non-independent, non-sexual fight for survival in nature where there was a scarcity of resources?

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Excuse me? I am NOT the one saying one is superior to the other…you did.

Maujaan e Maujaaaaaaaan
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when i bring up the fact that women give birth you want to desexualize them? sorry YOU are wasting MY time. you keep on saying strength is the only factor in deciding who is superior (intelligence being same), and want to change the reality (desexualize) when i point out other traits such as endurance…
again rape is exercising your physical strength …doesnt prove anything …not sexual…sorry

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Women became weaker because of the fact that man earned and gained the money power. I would love to have a law which make a husband to part with half of his income and deposited into his spouse’ account. I agree with you that women are hardworking. One of my subordinate happened to be a women in a steel mill in India. Once on a crisis, she had climbed to a large overhead crane to help me at 10 O’clock in the night, even though by law, woman are not supposed to be employed for such work beyond 7 O’clock. Once I had sent her early morning at around 5 O’clock. I don’t deny that women are hardworking but they have several limitations.

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Dr. Zakir Naik Best Puts it (in Islam)

A. As I mentioned earlier equality does not mean identicality. In Islam Women are over all equal but not identical in each and every aspect.
I would like to conclude my talk by giving an example:

In an examination, two students "A" and "B" both obtain the first rank by scoring 80 out of 100. The question paper contained 10 questions each carrying 10 marks.

In question No. 1 Student "A" obtained 9/10 and student “B” obtained 7/10.

Student "A" gets higher marks and is better off than student “B” in question No.1.

In Question No.2 Student "A" scores 7/10 and student "B" scores 9/10.

Therefore in question 2 student "B" gets higher marks and is better off than student "A".

In question 3 both "A" and "B" obtained 8/10 i.e. in Q.3. both are equal.

When you add up the grand total of all the ten questions, both obtained 80/100. Therefore both the students "A" and "B" are overall equal. In some questions "A" has higher marks than "B" and in some questions "B" has higher marks than "A", while in other questions both are equal.

To take the analogy to practical terms, Allah has made man physically stronger than woman. Suppose a robber enters your house, will you talk about women’s right and say men and women are identical and equal and hence tell your mother, wife, sister or daughter to go and fight the thief? It is but natural that your answer is "no"! Concerning physical strength, men are at an advantage as compared to women and it is their duty to tackle such problems first. If required, in some circumstances, the womenfolk too can help.

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I seriously feel our fellow guppy sal35 need to grab his glasses and view the situation he has mentioned.

“Please don't assume me to be pro-men or anti-women. In fact, I strongly hold the view that the society should offer equal opportunities to both men and women. Our women folk should never be discriminated in any manner. But I don't subscribe the western idea of equality concept between men & women. The western idea has measurably failed and damaged the social and fabric in the modern society. Unfortunately, Indian subcontinent is gradually importing this idea. I believe that men and women are not equal but rather complimentary to each other. Neither is superior nor inferior.

While discussing this subject with the man folk, I have always drawn applause and have been told not to talk about it with any woman. But now I am daring to come out in this forum. It would be really interesting to hear from the women folk.”

Our own society has miserably failed for centuries. It’s a lot easier to sit there and comment that our eastern society has not flunked. You are absolutely damn right eastern marriages are saved because of women. Eastern women are so use too of abuse that to her oppression is wonderful world; in other words marriage. [No I am not declaring marriage is oppression but our Eastern men have managed to win every single aspect to make it miserable for women].
I just want you to ask those women “Are they happy and satisfied”. Every now and then whenever I get the chance to sit and talk to these women I am amazed and yeah they are within my family as well [and no I don’t come from some ghesi pheti khandan- we are well known in Lahore due to our construction and steel business].
This is what happens in eastern marriages mostly [those mainly who are back home]:- man talks and women listens. She gives up her entire house, life style, dreams, wishes and only God knows what else in this relationship; only if she knew what she was jumping in to. From the day of marriage and on words usually her wishes are never heard. She gets a label of bevi, sas, nand, jithani, dewarni, etc and its her duty to realize wishes of everyone. After some time she becomes mother and then what she ever wished for never really happens. I am talking about little little things that can make a huge difference. An eastern man feels he has no obligations towards his household chores expect dictatorship and having sex wit his wife. If we go in a eastern home we will see man sitting on sofa enjoying and women in kitchen making food.
Problem:- Is it only women’s responsibility to cook and clean? What if she decides to work she usually can’t because her father never gave her permission to get sufficient education. Let’s even look at those girls who even have some education after marriage husband does not wish they work. “I want my women to stay home and take care of the family”. What the fudge on earth is wrong with you morons. It’s a women’s life let her decide who has given you the permission to sit and take decisions. Women in our society has no say and it brothers to the point where my blood boils to thousand degrees. Would it kill a man to get his ass up and do some work around house. If I am working fulltime and so is my man we both must share the responsibilities.

Western:- Usually both sides have too many expectations from each other that they never work out. Their trial to live together before marriage fails miserably. They have parenting sessions and what not to help them live their lives. Western people forget to teach their kids their own culture and traditions. A child leaves his parents after certain age and parents live alone for rest of their lives.

To get one point cleared before I go any future, doing household work is a fulltime job which men can’t do. Every other day they do make a statement they fail at it which I have accepted but it will not kill you to help out. Women’s life begins from kitchen and ends in kitchen per our eastern society.

I believe both societies has failed completely; eastern and western. They both go on extremes I strongly believe a good balance can be seen among the mixture of those two societies. I am speaking about eastern men and women who were either raised here or lived here for quite some time and understand that SHARING IS CARING.

Finally: it’s my damn life no one is going to sit on their ass and discuss what I will do. I do whatever I want to do. If I want to go get education or sit home make babies it’s my choice. Why is it so hard for men to get that simple concept? Just because your father oppressed your mother that does not mean your wife is going to this BS. No man has any right to sit there and do dictatorship its one thing if you are suggesting but to give orders that’s a big NO NO. I am not anyone’s maid to clean up after them.
Marriage is sharing and caring two people are in it together. Believe me my husband will be doing a fair share around the house. If he does not well I aint’ his mother who will clean up after him. If you learned to wipe your ass well learn to pick up your clothes, fold then, fold the blanket, making sure bathroom floor is wiped when you get out. If you can’t cook cut the vegetables at least or hand over masaley etc. If I am getting kids ready for school he better have a good breakfast on the table or we will switch the duties.

I know I will be an awesome wife and baho but my hubby must do his fair share which I know he will. Otherwise he will learn and I will teach.

wow i wrote too much - :D

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:clap:

:confused: don’t you know that the strenght diffrence btw male and female is only due to sexual hormones? so if you desexualise men and woman you get similar beings…and nothing different:D

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no they r not, i dont know why ppl have developed this stupid notion of men and women being equal....
they r different, have different roles and cannot be seen as equals....

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The roles can overlap, but sure there are things only women can do that men just can't (physical and non-physical).

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Dear nia_khan

I am a person of open mind and quite flexible to change my opinion if I see a valid point. I read your whole stuff and saw things from your angle. I subscribe to most of your views. Thanks for opening my eyes.

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Wow, such a hilarious discussion between you and Nemesis. Let me say that if you compare man and woman on survival parameter, then I would say that neither intelligence nor sheer strength counts. What counts is how adaptable one is in a changing scenario. The fittest species are those which have survived the change.

Let me explaint it further. If you consider the life on this planet as equivalent to twenty four hours then Human have arrived just 10 seconds back. Cockroaches are here for so long and have survived all the changes for several millions of years. They are far more fit than human species.

So my question is “Who is more adaptable” man or woman? This will surely sort out this dispute.

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statistically women live longer than men, does that answer your Q?

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What is equal?

They are as equal as fire and ice. Or day and night. Or stars and planets. (No points for guessing who the stars are ;))

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Hmmmm i fink men and women are equal but different.

Diffferent mentally, physically and emotionally.

On a lighter note, deep down inside all men like to be dominent and all women like to be sheltered and pampered. It all works out pretty good in the end.

Pakistan
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Men and women are not equal, from a religious OR non-religious viewpoint.

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Yeah we're really not equal.

Women are perfect.

Men are a work in progress.

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Nobody in this world is perfect. In what sense are women perfect?