Hardline hindutva Lal K Advani is stoking up the anit-Pakistan rhetoric again following the bomb blasts in Mumbai. This guy is the Prime-Minister elect once Vajpayee steps down so my question is, are the BJP sincere in wanting better relations with Pakistan and what chance is there of them pursuing peace in a constructive manner?
All this "seeking peace" is just a BS to keep US and world community dreaming/happy. Believe me these leaders of both nations will not lead to anywhere close to peace. Musharraf is "chief" from army, army will NEVER want to live in peace with India otherwise how will such a big army be justified? Advani & co are in the business for anti-Muslim anti-Pakistan sentiments, how'd he be in that place if he makes peace?
The Vajpayee Government remains unable and/or unwilling to strike back at Pakistan, in the fears that it will ignite a possible nuclear confrontation. India can survive a nuclear attack, but Pakistan will be wiped off the face of this Earth in the event of a certain Indian nuclear retaliation. I personally believe that if Deputy PM Lal Krishna Advani comes to power, India will attack Pakistan without hesitation.
Through private contact, everything is possible. We can't rely on leadership of both countries to make it possible. As Changeez pointed out, they are too busy covering their asses. Privately, people can find ways to make relationship improve.
During the cold war years, there were Russians and Americans who continued through intermediaries and private contacts, working on keeping ties of mutual interests open. Big music places, like the NY Philharmonic brought in Russian composers (sometimes at a direct conflict with the State Department), and Russians reciprocated by having the NYC Ballets do shows every Christmas in East Berlin and at Bolshoi (the most coveted arenas). And when the wall came down Gorbi and Reagan took all the credit.
There are many ways to improve ties, through music and arts is one of them. We Pakistanis can force our leadership to improve ties, and Indians can do the same at their end. Faith separated us, music can bring us together.
But ultimately it the job of the government to provide an environment where private citizens can work on improving ties. If you let my Mother and Channji's Mother figure out solution for Kashmir, I can, in all honesty say that they will figure out a way over a glass of Lassi.
WELL THERE are people on both sides of fence who dont want peace because its going to affect thier interests.
on the pakistani side some elements from the armed forces might not like it
on the indian side well the day bjp leaves its anti muslim agenda it will be finished its only the hatred that they are creating for muslims thats keeping them going so that explains
Kabir, that's why I gave the above example. We can sit here and say BJP is this Pak Army is that. That's not going to do any jack. In-spite of all hurdles and difficulties, it can be done. It will be hard, but not impossible.
Imagine, if Edhi foundation (a private outfit) wants to open an Ambulance service in Calcutta. Or the Order of Sisters of Mother Teresa wants to open a center in Lahore. I can not think of any Indian or Pakistani who will object to such an effort.
Similarly, Indian bignames like Tata and alike can offer Pakistani students some Scholarships, and Pakistanis can do the same. It is not that impossible.
I like NYA's positive attitude. True that leaderships on both sides have vested interests in keeping the hatred boiling but other than them, it hasn't really served the subcontinent well in the past. Divide and rule has generally served other parties better. As someone with pakistani roots and family members who live there, My view is that they would be a lot better off with relatively peaceful relations so am not really sure that all these pissing contests are going to be of benefit to that country. I don't really se that it will ultimately be of any use to India either. So any effort to uplift the condition of either country would seem to me to be a patriotic act.
It is true that both Indian and Pakistani leaders were not sincere in solving the dispute. But, it goes to the credit of Indian neighbour in bringing in a new dimension to the trouble - Armed struggle.
I feel that Advani & Co. are not capable of dealing with Pakistan in a befitting manner. They are meek and soft, making statements only in paper.
Vajpayee is a much better leader compared to him. I think Laloo or Mayawati or J. Jayalalitha are better options to deal with India's current problems. (but they might not be so suitable for international assignments san JJ).
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...I feel that Advani & Co. are not capable of dealing with Pakistan in a befitting manner. They are meek and soft, making statements only in paper.
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If the feelings are not sincere the statements always live in papers.
It has very little to do with Advani or anyone in India. If you want peace, stop meddling in Indian affairs such as Kashmir.
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It has very little to do with Advani or anyone in India.
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You are absolutely right. Peace is beyond the Hinduvta leadership.
If you believe Pakistan is meddling in Indian affairs, then I think India should teach it a lesson - how about starting the promised 'Decisive Battle'?
However, if India is sincere about peace, it should stop blaming the indigenous struggle of Kashmiris on Pakistan govt.
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It has very little to do with Advani or anyone in India. If you want peace, stop meddling in Indian affairs such as Kashmir.
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If Kashmir is an Indian affair then India needs to take responsibility for security in it's own land instead of taking the easy option of blaming Pakistan. My view is that the fact that Indian voters have overwhelmingly given their approval to a bunch of religious maniacs to run their country speaks volumes as to why peace is still a pipe dream.
Anyway, while the Indian govt and it's supporters are debating whether mosques should be demolished, or cow slaughter banned, Pakistan should perhaps look to continue building it's relations on a global scale rather than get bogged down in petty South Asian politics.
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It has very little to do with Advani or anyone in India. If you want peace, stop meddling in Indian affairs such as Kashmir.
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Keep dreaming tomy boy
Re: Are good relations possible while Advani & co are in power?
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Hardline hindutva Lal K Advani is stoking up the anit-Pakistan rhetoric again following the bomb blasts in Mumbai. This guy is the Prime-Minister elect once Vajpayee steps down so my question is, are the BJP sincere in wanting better relations with Pakistan and what chance is there of them pursuing peace in a constructive manner?
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If you think Advani is bad, wait till Modi becomes PM of India. After all this guy was touted as a model for all India, after the genocide of Muslims in Gujrat.
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Keep dreaming tomy boy
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Are you just trying to live up to your nick or you really think pakistan giving up its kashmir claim will not bring about peace?