Are Ahmadis Muslims? (Split from "Mob tries to burn houses" in PA)

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Edit: Ahmadis are not Muslims. Those who accept Hazart Mohammed as their prophet are muslims. Jews - Moses. Christains - Jesus.

Simple.

NOTE: No name calling!

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Edit: Ahmadis are not Muslims. Those who accept Hazart Mohammed as their prophet are muslims. Jews - Moses. Christains - Jesus.

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Ahmadis consider Holy Prophet as their prophet...so there you go.

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Re: Mob tries to burn houses of Ahmadis in Layyah

Right and what happened to the concept that the Holy Prophet is the last of the Prophets. That none shall come after him till the return of Christ?

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what happened to it, you tell me..

Is Maulana Qasim Nanutwi non-Muslim for denying khtam-e-nabuwat? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seal_of_the_Prophets)

Let’s see you calling all these people non-Muslim.

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Re: Mob tries to burn houses of Ahmadis in Layyah

One of the reasons of Ghamdi's opposition to sufis and he has mentioned it several times is that some sufis believe a prophet can still come. In one of the episodes of ‘Alf’ he mentioned this and then said what is it they (ie Ahmadis) believe differently from these Sufis that we keep going after them (ie Ahmadis).

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Re: Mob tries to burn houses of Ahmadis in Layyah

Do Ahmadis believe that Hazart Mohammed is the seal of the prophets? Yes or no?

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Do you think scholars above believe that Hazart Mohammed is the seal of the prophets? Yes or no?

Ahmadis believe what these scholars believe ie a non-law bearing prophet can come. If these scholars are Muslim despite this belief then what is your complaint with Ahmadis?

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Re: Mob tries to burn houses of Ahmadis in Layyah

Its a yes or no question. Not a multiple bull**** question.

My concern is of logic. Each of the Abrahamic faiths follow the teachings of a prophet. As stated above:

Jesus - Christains
Jews - Moses
Muslims - Hazart Mohammad

Logic dictates that those who follow a seperate prophet would consider them a seperate faith. The Bahai's have already done that in Iran.

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Re: Mob tries to burn houses of Ahmadis in Layyah

CM, you have lost, quit beating about the bush.

You don't have the guts to call those scholars who have same beliefs as Ahmadis; non-Muslim plus you don't have the dignity to accept that Ahmadis don't have any new beliefs only those that have already been possessed by scholars before Ahmadis i.e. a non-law bearing prophet can come. In which case how can belief in a non-law bearing prophet make someone non-Muslim per se?

kina aasan tha
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Re: Mob tries to burn houses of Ahmadis in Layyah

LMAO! For someone who is supposedly winning this discussion you can't answer a simple yes or no question. If you actually believed that you were right you wouldn't need to come up with long paragraphs and links to defend what you said.

My point is valid, thus all jumping up and down. If you believed you were right you would not run around the question, but instead you would answer it directly.

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Re: Mob tries to burn houses of Ahmadis in Layyah

your right CM otherwise these believing-themselves-as-muslims wouldnt be looking to blame sunni scholars of Kuffar...and by the way keep Maulana Qasim Nantowai out of your stinky beliefs.

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I love how you think everyone is an idiot except for you...

I wonder if a non-idiot like you has ever bothered to read the forum rules regarding personal attacks, or does a non-idiot like you with 13000 posts simply make their own rules??

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Allow me to answer you. If someone doesnt have the knowledge of what you're asking.. would that make you right? The beliefs of Ahmadi Muslims is exactly the same as what other common Muslim has.. you also do believe that Imam Mehdi will come. Now, if Ahmadis have recognized the imam mehdi , how would that put them outside the fold of Islam?.. He has got to be an ummati nabi , a prophet who is not bringing new sharia but following strictly wat Islam tells.. ( that satisfies khatm e naboowat issue )...He has got to have this divine revelations from Allah in order to know that he is the appointed one..

To reject the true Imam Mehdi you people sometimes bring the hadith where beloved Prophet Muhammad PBUH said that Imam Mehdi will bring peace in the world.. and on other hand you bring the hadith where He SAW said that Imam mehdi will break the cross and kill the swine?.. excuse me?.. you expect 'peace' in the world when Imam Mehdi AS is literally and physically breaking each and every cross and killing each and every swine on Earth?.. ( keep in mind, there has never been a person from Allah doing such awkward stuff )..How about taking that hadith and thinking of verbal jehaad ( writing books over books in defence of Islam and rejecting christianity claims etc ).. ?.. you should know by now since you know so much about Ahmadiyya beliefs that the founder of this jamaat namely Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad AS used to be called ' champion of Islam ' back in the days.. why? because He AS used to answer all the verbal attacks by all different religious groups by writing counter books to defend the religion (Islam), that he truly loved. ( I hope him being known as 'champion' of islam back in the days is not a news for you ).

Allah says in Quran that if anyone dare to speak on my behalf and say that i got this revelation from Allah SWT, He would cut His throat. Yet, we see Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad AS saying many many time in His books that He receives revelations.. and yet died a natural death.

Another point you people raise is prophet ISA AS is still up in the heavens for more than 2000+ years.... why do you people not open Quran for once and read surah Al-Saff ( 61/07). In there Allah said that prophet ISA AS prophesized that there will be prophet after me whose name will be Ahmad. ( ofcourse NOT hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad AS, but Prophet Muhammad PBUH ). Now you tell me?.. either prophet ISA AS is alive and naozubilla Prophet Muhammad (Ahmad)SAW was a fake prophet ..Naozubillah.. or that prophet ISA AS is dead and thats when beloved Prophet Muhammad SAW came. Its your pick. you cant accept Muhammad SAW if u say hazrat Isa AS is still alive.

This is not the first time im defending Ahmadiyya faith here, many a times i have tried earlier but as a result people here only try to see where they can get us and then start arguing about it.. instead of neutrally thinking about wat and why Ahmadiyya belief is the way it is.

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This is reference given in your cited wiki article …

why do ya think it was said in regard of a prophet (non-law bearing) ?

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The following might help in understanding views from both sides. Also these threads would help us in understanding why all of them were ultimately closed and why such debates should not be a priority for a Muslim of present age, specially when the ummah is going through its worst time ever in the history.

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/religion-scripture/260752-mirza-ghulam-ahmad-qadiani-islam.html

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/religion-scripture/295753-ahmadi-thread.html

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/religion-scripture/286627-100-years-ahmadi-religion.html

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/religion-scripture/255539-mirza-gaqs-followers-avoiding-these-question.html

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/religion-scripture/256780-lets-talk-ahmadiyyat-detail.html

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/religion-scripture/243575-fall-ahmadiyya-community.html

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/religion-scripture/252108-ahmadiyyo-se-sawal.html

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/religion-scripture/191560-qadyani-concept-all-information-sunni-muslims.html

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/religion-scripture/106026-ahmadiyyat-islam.html

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/religion-scripture/70456-why-ahmadis-arent-muslim.html](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/70456-why-ahmadis-arent-muslim.html)