Re: Arain Caste?? Help solving the mystery?
Uncaptioned pics don't count as evidence my sindi friend, where are they from they look interesting?
Uncaptioned pics don't count as evidence my sindi friend, where are they from they look interesting?
:)...............you mean you cannot guess?.....:)
you mean I have to post a link.............:(
^one question how so many ppl got NON-indian looks??
depends what you call Indian look.
the northern Indian Jats, Arain, Rajputs cannot be differentiated, while southern Indians look different
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^ what's that based on?
It depends on the Arain tbh I don't know about Jatt. From observation some Arain just look standard North Indian like you said whereas other families have lighter skin tones that's more frequent when you head toward Rawalpindi, Islamabad and Kashmir. My family has recurring red heads every other person has red hair, makes people look twice at least lol.
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^red hair is not an Arab trait, a typical arab does not look any different from a north Indian or Pakistani.
Races are mixed in Pakistan, many in my family have blue eyes coz our maternal side are afghans.
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Red hair is an inherited genetic mutation lol, I was making the point that a lot Arain of families look different to Jatts and other north Indians not that they look Arab.
And btw even Bahrain Arabs - darker skinned arabs don't look anything like north indians even though they have similar even darker skin tones its more about their structure.
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Arain have a middle eastern background? News for me!
You should get a DNA test. They are 100% reliable. If your paternal ancestors are from the middle east then you should belong to haplogroup J like most people from the middle east. On the other hand if you are L, H or C, then your male ancestors were from India.
World Y DNA Haplogroup distribution:
Human Y-chromosome DNA haplogroup - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Get yourself tested:
Arians are a local stock. A caste that exists in Punjab. They speak punjabi and are indigenous to Pakistan. By profession they were mainly vegetable farmers.
Many Arians migrated from Indian Punjab and setteled in Laylpoor now called Faisalabad.
I don't understand why most Pakistanies claim foreign origin? May be inferiority complex? Some say we are Arabic some say ooooo we came from Bukhara (central asia) and so on..............it could be caz of low self esteem? I don't know but we do have identity crises in Pakistan
Arians are a local stock. A caste that exists in Punjab. They speak punjabi and are indigenous to Pakistan. By profession they were mainly vegetable farmers. Many Arians migrated from Indian Punjab and setteled in Laylpoor now called Faisalabad.
I don't understand why most Pakistanies claim foreign origin? May be inferiority complex? Some say we are Arabic some say ooooo we came from Bukhara (central asia) and so on..............it could be caz of low self esteem? I don't know but we do have identity crises in Pakistan
bitter, I think you meant to say Arain not Arians. (Arians were a Christian sect that did not believe in the Trinity)
As far as foreign origins are concerned. Some people do claim foreign descent. Usually, this is because their parents tell them they are descendants of foreigners. Historically, Islam came to India at the hand of middle eastern/ central asian invaders. Many of us claim descent from them. The reasons for such lies are complex, and not a simple self esteem issue, in my opinion. For example, in the early days of Islam, during the Umayyid period, converts to Islam were expected to pay both jizya and zakat. Effectively, one's conversion to Islam was denied, unless one was affiliated with the Southern Arab tribes. The unintended consequnce of such a policy of aparthied are obvious, people began falsely claiming descent from Souther Arab tribes (to avoid paying double taxes). These prejudices I believe linger till today. After all, those non arabs who told their children they were descendants of arab tribes were hardly going to tell future generations they lied. In most cases that knowledge was probably lost after the first generation, any way. Similar thing probably happened during the central asian invasion of India.
That said, we should all keep in mind that according to the DNA evidence everyone came to India from somewhere. We all share a common ancestor (proverbial Adam) who lived in Africa about 75,000 years ago. His descendants came out of Africa in different waves at different times. Very few have paternal ancestors who came to India 50k ago, just as very few have ancestors who came more recently, after Islamic invaders conquered India.
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Yes bob most of us are locals
Jats, Arians , gujjers , awaans all these castes in punjab and sind are local people from anthrapological and genelogical perspective but............as you know people of Pakistan get extreme pride when they affiliate themselves with arabs, persians and other outsiders.
But i mean..look at them.........do they look like the ones who they claim to be? A big laughter!
The number of Syeds in Pakistan is more than total population of a small sized arab countries ( Scientifically not possible), then we have long list of Farooqies, Siddiquies, Osmanies , Abbasies............claimin outside ancestry. Pakistan has the most arabs in the world....( Laughing out Loud)
I don't understand why most Pakistanies claim foreign origin? May be inferiority complex? Some say we are Arabic some say ooooo we came from Bukhara (central asia) and so on..............it could be caz of low self esteem? I don't know but we do have identity crises in Pakistan
I agree... having lived in the Middle East for quite a while, I never came across one person who claimed to be a descent from the Prophet's family in the same vein as some of the Syeds in Pakistan do - and it just seems pretty specious that there are more descendants further away from Arabia than there are closer by.
To each his own though... but I just don't like the way the caste system is revered to in Pakistan. Unfortunately, my own family elders claim lineage as Arain and from what little I've read in the old family diaries and books, the lineage is traced back to a place called Areeha in Palestine (also known as Jericho, Palestine), and apparently there are two strands of settlers... one in Pakistan and one in Afghanistan.
In the end, it is one thing to take interest in your genealogy for the sake of seeking knowledge... after all, even the Quran says:
Inna Ja'alnaakum Shu'uban wa Qaba'il Li'Ta'aarafu (we have made you into nations and tribes so that you may know one another)...
but to use one's lineage to discriminate as many do should never be condoned.
I agree... having lived in the Middle East for quite a while, I never came across one person who claimed to be a descent from the Prophet's family in the same vein as some of the Syeds in Pakistan do - and it just seems pretty specious that there are more descendants further away from Arabia than there are closer by.
To each his own though... but I just don't like the way the caste system is revered to in Pakistan. Unfortunately, my own family elders claim lineage as Arain and from what little I've read in the old family diaries and books, the lineage is traced back to a place called Areeha in Palestine (also known as Jericho, Palestine), and apparently there are two strands of settlers... one in Pakistan and one in Afghanistan.
In the end, it is one thing to take interest in your genealogy for the sake of seeking knowledge... after all, even the Quran says: Inna Ja'alnaakum Shu'uban wa Qaba'il Li'Ta'aarafu (we have made you into nations and tribes so that you may know one another)...
but to use one's lineage to discriminate as many do should never be condoned.
The funny thing is nobody claims to be a local....Arain are palestinians, Butt are jews, Pathans say we are Bani Israel...Most Urdu speaking are Qureshies, Farooqies , Osmanies....as if " The Entire Arab migrated to Pakistan"
We must realize that are local people and we shoud be proud of our orgin instead of relating ourselves to Turks, Arabs and Persians
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^ I agree... and like I said... "taking interest" in your genealogy is okay... but today we're all just Pakistanis and that's how it should be. My own parents never mentioned anything about caste to me and were hesitant even when I asked (only because someone else had asked me in school once) - I was always a Pakistani...
It was only when I met some other family elders and they started discussing this stuff that I got to know of it during my late teen years.
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The funny thing is nobody claims to be a local....Arain are palestinians, Butt are jews, Pathans say we are Bani Israel...Most Urdu speaking are Qureshies, Farooqies , Osmanies....as if " The Entire Arab migrated to Pakistan"
We must realize that are local people and we shoud be proud of our orgin instead of relating ourselves to Turks, Arabs and Persians
bitter, it is not that simple. DNA tests dont always reveal what you think they will. For example, my family claims descent from Arabia. Like you, I thought this was funny for a desi family to think they were from the middle east. So I got my DNA tested, to prove we were Indian stock. The results were interesting, to say the least.
The scientific fact is that my patrilineal male ancestors are closely related to the Ashkenazi Jewish population of Bessarabia near the Black Sea. There are apparently people in Armenia, Pakistan, Syria, Iran and Uzbekestan who share ancestors with these Jews. However, I am not closely related to people in India. In other words, it is very likely that my paternal ancestors migrated to India, sometime in recent history and have not had a chance to mix with the greater Indian population. This is what the DNA test reveals.
The DNA studies show that many people in a courntry are patrilineally more closely related to outsiders than other members of their caste, religion or linguistic group. Some of us, for example, are more closely related to Jews, Arabs, Turks, Mongols and Hindus than we are to other Pakistanis.
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Arain Subcastes
The sub-castes are Ramay, Bhutto, Ramday, Mundh, Goheer, Munda, Ghurki, Daula, Chhachhar, Bhutta, Kardar, Hansi, Katarbund, Ghalar, Gejial, Sapal, Dholanwal, Kukru, Gatku, Kawali, Basroo, Bhutta, Mudh, Chandu, Bhalay, Dhadhay, Dhengay, Rattay, Labanay, Wahnd, Vehra, Jatala, Bhoongay, Pawadhray, Qutub Shahi, Rahail, Behlwan, Saggi, Mulanay, Teer Andaz, Malgoria, Jandialia, Nihal, and many more. Arains usually don’t use sub-castes but prefer to write the appellations Mian, Chaudhry, Mehar and Sardar. The Arains from Peeli Bheet and Delhi prefer Sheikh.
Arains by Religion
The Arains are largely Muslim, numbering 9,585,000. The Arain Hindu population numbers 247,000 and the Arain Sikh population 18,000. The proportion of Muslim Arain is much greater than those of the other castes of the Punjab engaged in agriculture: (the Jats, Gujjars and Rajputs, which are 52 per cent, 42 per cent and 30 per cent Muslim, respectively.
(Note: How woluld hindu/sikh arain be possible if arab origin is claimed?)
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In the Punjab Census Report (1911), Harikishan Kaul points out that members of the Arain tribe are “mostly Muhammadans,” (as opposed to the tribe being entirely made up of Muslims), and as a corollary, reference is also made to Hindu and Sikh sections of the tribe. In the Glossary of the Tribes and Castes of the Punjab and North West Frontier Province, Denzil Ibbetson refers to the Arains as, “Almost to a man Muhammadans
The Punjab census reports of 1883 and 1892 record their Hindu origins and kinship with the Kamboh and Saini caste groups.
Arain - encyclopedia article - Citizendium
Many Arain claim Arab descent, doubtless based upon the demographic that nearly all Arain are, and have been, Sunni Muslim, as were the early Arabs of Muhammad bin Qasim’s expedition.
The Arain, despite being majority Muslim, do have Sikh and Hindu members, as do the other agricultural castes of the Punjab (the Jats, Gujjars and Rajputs). The Arab origin claim can therefore be largely viewed as a desire for claiming an unbroken practise of Islam through the ages, for current prestige rather than accurate genealogical designation. Local indigenous ancestry is claimed from other tribes of the Punjab such as the Surajbansi Rajput, or from Persia, and the majority of Muslim agricultural tribes are certainly converts to Islam.
A study by the Pakistan Journal of Medical Sciences on blood types of the major ethnicities in the Punjab showed that O is the most common blood group (among all ethnicities), except among the Arain where B is most common, the difference being statistically significant. Whilst not proof of non-local ancestry, it does illustrate a difference between the Arain and the other castes inhabiting the Punjab. Obviously, more research is needed for greater detail on the caste’s migratory provenance.
Arain - though considered vege growers for centuries have made great stride in education and other fields in Pakistan.. their peak time came under Gen Zia (he was Arain) as they are not considered rulers in sub-continent history.. During Zia's era they were promoted in major fields..
Now on a lighter side , not to be taken literally !
There are two types of people in the world... arain and matasareen -e arain
They are one of the lost tribes on Bane- Israel
All arain are jews but all jews are not arain
Yes bob most of us are locals
Jats, Arians , gujjers , awaans all these castes in punjab and sind are local people from anthrapological and genelogical perspective but............as you know people of Pakistan get extreme pride when they affiliate themselves with arabs, persians and other outsiders. But i mean..look at them.........do they look like the ones who they claim to be? A big laughter!
The number of Syeds in Pakistan is more than total population of a small sized arab countries ( Scientifically not possible), then we have long list of Farooqies, Siddiquies, Osmanies , Abbasies............claimin outside ancestry. Pakistan has the most arabs in the world....( Laughing out Loud)
**ALL them Pakistan's Original ARABS...............belong to the
AL-Muskeen Tribe......................:D
now happy Bitter...........:)
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