good idea
bitter_reality:
Arians are a local stock. A caste that exists in Punjab. They speak punjabi and are indigenous to Pakistan. By profession they were mainly vegetable farmers.
I don’t understand why most Pakistanies claim foreign origin? May be inferiority complex? Some say we are Arabic some say ooooo we came from Bukhara (central asia) and so on…it could be caz of low self esteem? I don’t know but we do have identity crises in Pakistan
WTH are u talking abt. . . .
Adam was not born in india. Every one migrated from one place to another. Thread starter clearly mentioned his/her intention and wants to learn abt his/her origins.
Why on earth u bring inferiority complex in between and stop generalizing every bloody thing.
bob_chasm:
bitter, I think you meant to say Arain not Arians. (Arians were a Christian sect that did not believe in the Trinity)
**As far as foreign origins are concerned. Some people do claim foreign descent. Usually, this is because their parents tell them they are descendants of foreigners. Historically, Islam came to India at the hand of middle eastern/ central asian invaders. Many of us claim descent from them. The reasons for such lies are complex, and not a simple self esteem issue, in my opinion. For example, in the early days of Islam, during the Umayyid period, converts to Islam were expected to pay both jizya and zakat. Effectively, one’s conversion to Islam was denied, unless one was affiliated with the Southern Arab tribes. The unintended consequnce of such a policy of aparthied are obvious, people began falsely claiming descent from Souther Arab tribes (to avoid paying double taxes). These prejudices I believe linger till today. After all, those non arabs who told their children they were descendants of arab tribes were hardly going to tell future generations they lied. In most cases that knowledge was probably lost after the first generation, any way. Similar thing probably happened during the central asian invasion of India. **
That said, we should all keep in mind that according to the DNA evidence everyone came to India from somewhere. We all share a common ancestor (proverbial Adam) who lived in Africa about 75,000 years ago. His descendants came out of Africa in different waves at different times. Very few have paternal ancestors who came to India 50k ago, just as very few have ancestors who came more recently, after Islamic invaders conquered India.
now this is a whole new story. lol
bitter_reality:
Yes bob most of us are locals
Jats, Arians , gujjers , awaans all these castes in punjab and sind are local people from anthrapological and genelogical perspective but……as you know people of Pakistan get extreme pride when they affiliate themselves with arabs, persians and other outsiders.
The number of Syeds in Pakistan is more than total population of a small sized arab countries ( Scientifically not possible), then we have long list of Farooqies, Siddiquies, Osmanies , Abbasies…claimin outside ancestry. Pakistan has the most arabs in the world…( Laughing out Loud)
can u stop generalizing and being so judgmental abt what ppl think.. . . .
man u turn every thread into bashing thread. . . . whats ur problem, sarry duniya se tung ho tum. . . .:aq:
bitter_reality:
The funny thing is nobody claims to be a local…Arain are palestinians, Butt are jews, Pathans say we are Bani Israel…Most Urdu speaking are Qureshies, Farooqies , Osmanies…as if " The Entire Arab migrated to Pakistan"
We must realize that are local people and we shoud be proud of our orgin instead of relating ourselves to Turks, Arabs and Persians
and what is our origin. dont say pakistan, as we didnt drop from heaven in 1947. Every one came from some where else, migrated etc and thats why the thread starter opened this thread to know better abt his/her origin
