Arabs condemns Pakistan's vote on Yemen

[Doppleganger]

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@Captain1

uncle has to go opposite to ANY decision govt makes… if they had decided to send the army then it would’ve been a case of Pakistan army for rent, now that we are not sending the army he is crying oh what about our imports/exports/investments in Gulf

Reminds me of GOP & Obama

[Zafra]

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@Captain1

I would like to see the predicting post

Somewhere in the original thread where I said defending Saudi Arabia is okay and going to be our only option.

[Zafra]

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I love the racism in this thread. Now please same the same about jews and white people.

[Ajju]

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@Jolie

I just can’t get over the fact that Saudi Arabia who’d worked so closely with Pakistan army in the past didn’t once communicate with Gen Raheel Shareef or any representative of Pak army on this issue - even once! The USA, UK, Afghanistan and now the Iranian foreign minister all had one to one meeting with Gen Raheel to discuss foreign policy, but for some reason, Saudis skipped him totally. Maybe they knew about his ‘decision’ already.

It’s so very strange how Iranian FM met Gen Raheel, but Saudis had no apparent contact with him.

He was the first one the Saudi spoke to. You must have missed the news of the general’s visit to KSA at the beginning of all this. We are seeing the the parliament saying no because the army first had said no already. Otherwise, there would not have been any debate in the parliament.

[Zafra]

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@Ajju

He was the first one the Saudi spoke to. You must have missed the news of the general’s visit to KSA at the beginning of all this. We are seeing the th parliament saying no because the army first had said no already. Otherwise, there would not have been any debate in the parliament.

If the military had already said no please explain:

1. Why there were multiple trips to Saudi Arabia?
2. Why did Saudi Arabia state that Pakistan had agreed?
3. Why did the military send a delegation along with the civilians to Saudi Arabia?

I mean come on. If it was known a month ago the answer was no, why all this waste of time and space and why was there the trip to Turkey? The visit of the Irani FM. The discussions between Erodgan and Iran?

[OYMWA]

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@Jolie

I just can’t get over the fact that Saudi Arabia who’d worked so closely with Pakistan army in the past didn’t once communicate with Gen Raheel Shareef or any representative of Pak army on this issue - even once! The USA, UK, Afghanistan and now the Iranian foreign minister all had one to one meeting with Gen Raheel to discuss foreign policy, but for some reason, Saudis skipped him totally. Maybe they knew about his ‘decision’ already.

It’s so very strange how Iranian FM met Gen Raheel, but Saudis had no apparent contact with him.

This right here is what is wrong with democracy in Pakistan. Shouldn’t the army be subservient to the elected civilian government? Why should Gen Raheel Shareef be consulted on foreign policy matters? That in itself would not be a problem, but a lot of educated, seemingly intelligent and pro-democracy people seem to think it is ok. That is the problem.

[Sady]

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Those worried about the economic consequence and ‘wrath’ of those dragging us into wars against Muslim brothers need to learn to have ‘tawakkal’ on Allah as He is the one who provides even to Saudia/UAE whom Pakistanis have been brainwashed to consider GOD & prostrate to them. About time Pakistanis learn to rely on almighty Allah for all their needs including economic needs. If they worked half as hard as they work in Middle Eastern countries (as slaves with collars of ‘sponsorship’ around their necks for being ‘Bakistani’ expats) and contribute to their economy. With Allah’s many blessings of natural resources including Karachi and Gwadar ports, by curbing the corruption, Pakistanis can get so far ahead that they would only travel abroad for vacation, not to work in countries full of pride and arrogance and suffer subhuman treatment on jobs which pay them enough to make the ends meet.

Those advocating to ‘fear’ the ‘wrath’ of arrogant Muslim ‘brothers’ instead of Allah should be ashamed of themselves.

I think this is a good opportunity for Pakistani leadership to repent for all the past mistakes, maltreatment of and cruelty (of all forms) on the residents of Pakistan & focus on becoming self reliant and provide common Pakistanis with decent living standards including JUSTICE. Currently, getting justice is out of reach of the common man. This is a ‘make or break’ opportunity for the Pakistani leadership. Work on Gwadar, work on all the pending projects good for the economy of Pakistan, put in the back burner due to corruption, international pressure or other reasons. With some sanity, effort and above all HONESTY, sincerity and putting our trust in ONE GOD instead of charity money of SAUDIA, UAE, US, we’ll be much better off to accept to become SLAVES in other countries including UAE/Saudia.

If Pakistanis don’t respect themselves, no one is going to respect them.

I hope to see that Pakistan in my life time.

Enemies of Islam have taken all the Muslims of the world as slaves and hostages by exploiting the shepherds through psychological brainwashing tools (greed, pride - building high rise just to feel good, impress the world and west with easily accessible casinos/pubs/prostitution). Only thing I still respect about them is their women still have not given in to dajjalic desires (sell themselves / their bodies) like Pakistani, Egyptian and other Muslim women. Pakistani women need to learn to protect themselves against the psychological tools of the dajjal and not sell themselves for money. That’s like spreading fitna which is not liked by God and that’s why Pakistan has been under Allah’s wrath for so many years. If both men and women stop rejecting simple commands of God, stop being greedy, earn through knowledge, other pursuits permitted in Islam, not through ‘item numbers’ (Ayesha umer, hamza Ali, and the rest following the same trends), start focusing on learning, character building, Angels will help defeat the enemies and transfer the world’s (Muslim) leadership to Pakistanis. Right now, looking at the state of imaan of our people (someone above suggested fearing Saudis and UAE for worse economic implications instead of the almighty, how disgusting), I’m not so sure.

On Pakistani men’s role, currently Pakistan is one of the top importers of liquor. Every second man (guys as young as 18 and as old as 60) are ‘proud’ alcoholics. And they’re always looking for females who share the same habits to give them company. I’m not advocating imposing moral police like saudia, ISIS but I think it is every Muslim’s duty to know what they’re doing wrong Islamically. When something was forbidden by God that means it’s forbidden. No amount of justifications can make it permissible. It’s like story of Adam/Eve. They did not care the fruit was forbidden and still ate it hence suffered the ‘wrath’ of God. That is the wrath Pakistanis (and the Muslim ummah for that matter) is currently suffering and that wrath is what Pakistanis should fear. Not wrath of Saudis/Emaratis not throwing riyaals on us or for accepting us in slavery. So Pakistani men and women, both have to mend ways, Pakistani leadership has to ensure the justice is in the reach of common people, and leadership of political parties specifically PPP have to stop being hypocrites and take “U-turns” which they always accuse PTI of. A good step in the right direction should be appreciated.

[Med911]

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@Shamraz_Khan

They have started threatening Pakistan.

Gargash: Pakistan’s vote on Yemen

Dubai: Pakistan’s parliament has rebuffed a Saudi request for military participation in its offensive against Yemeni rebels, delivering a blow to Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif.

The parliament unanimously passed a resolution affirming its neutrality in the Yemeni conflict, but expressed “unequivocal” support for Saudi Arabia and pledged to defend the kingdom in case of any violation of its territorial integrity or threat to holy sites of Makkah and Medina.

“There is a message to Al Houthis too,” said a senior Pakistani official. “If they go across the border into Saudi Arabia, we will certainly be there in support of the Saudis,” he told the Financial Times.

UAE Minister of State for Foreign Affairs Dr Anwar Mohammad Gargash said on Twitter that the Pakistani parliament’s rejection of intervention in Yemen is “unexpected from Islamabad”.

The Pakistani parliament’s decision that stipulates “neutrality in the Yemeni conflict” and expresses “its genuine support for Saudi Arabia” is “contradictory and unexpected from Islamabad.

“The Arabian Gulf is in a dangerous and fateful confrontation and its strategic security is at stake. Moments like these distinguish real allies from those of media statements.”

“Pakistan must have a clear stance for the sake of its strategic relations with the Gulf states. Positions that are contradictory in such fateful issues have a high cost,” Gargash added.

Saudi Arabia had requested troops, ships and aircraft support for the operation that aims to restore Yemeni president Abd Rabbo Mansour Hadi, who fled the country in the face of advances by the Al Houthis and their ally, former president Ali Abdullah Saleh.

The Pakistani resolution came a day after Iran’s Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif visited Islamabad for talks on Yemen.

Let them threaten. Pakistan doesnt need friends like these. Gargash should learn some respect.

[bao_bihari]

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Since morning i am facing the music of this arab nationalists.

Ignorant nonesense people who just think pakistanis are some one who can be purchased (due to what our top brass is ) . I think although it may have a negative impact but just get out this depencecy on GCC/US/IRAN/CHINA etc in a respectable manner.

We should always support them if harmain is in danger but not to fight for them becuase they are scared to fight brave yamanis.

[Anwer_Pasha]

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@Anwer_Pasha

I am trying to understand the drama
We will go to SA to defend them only after rival’s attacks
Am I right ?

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[Jolie]

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@OYMWA

This right here is what is wrong with democracy in Pakistan. Shouldn’t the army be subservient to the elected civilian government? Why should Gen Raheel Shareef be consulted on foreign policy matters? That in itself would not be a problem, but a lot of educated, seemingly intelligent and pro-democracy people seem to think it is ok. That is the problem.

It doesn’t make sense. I don’t know what your personal definition of your ‘pro democracy’ is, but no where in the credo of democracy, you are forbidden to consult your army over foreign policies (especially when it involves fighting wars). Let me tell you that even in Western democracies decisions on foreign policies are not made without the consultation and in some cases, command from the military and intelligence establishment. If that wasn’t the case Obama would’ve ended the Iraq War in 2008, as famously promised.

[Jolie]

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@Anwer_Pasha

You have replied yourself , Our many many billion $ investment in Gulf at risk also . Our imports ,exports all at risk . We can not afford .
Very true post here
Agar IK ka issue na ho to very wise

Billion dollar investment by whom and in what? Zardari, Rehman Malik, Gilani, Nawaz Sharif, Shehbaz Sharif, Hussain Sharif, Hamza Sharif, Ishaq Dar & Sons, the list goes on. All these politicians and their children have invested truck load of stolen money in properties and businesses in UAE. So yes we are indeed talking about billion dollar investment by criminals (namely politicians) and it goes without saying that UAE is a heaven for Pakistani money launderers. So yes, if UAE wants to go and ahead and freeze of all those illegally acquired assets, Pakistani government won’t be able to do much about it.

[Ali_Syed]

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The politicians need to be wary of the UAE threat as compared to the common man.

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[Ma_Mooli]

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@bao_bihari

Since morning i am facing the music of this arab nationalists.

Ignorant nonesense people who just think pakistanis are some one who can be purchased (due to what our top brass is ) . I think although it may have a negative impact but just get out this depencecy on GCC/US/IRAN/CHINA etc in a respectable manner.

We should always support them if harmain is in danger but not to fight for them becuase they are scared to fight brave yamanis.

Are you based in arab country? what are their sentiments.

Btw haramain existed way before aale saud and they will continue to exist after them. If yemenis do take control; it would be no concern to me. Infact it would be preferable; they are muslims afterall. Its not the haramain the aale saud want protecting.. but thier own thrones that they have built on sands dunes. Haramains are being dangled purely as an emotional ploy as usual; and dopeheads all over are falling for it again. Our reply should be the same that was given to abraha in battle of the elephants…give me back what is mine; God will take care of what is his.

[Ma_Mooli]

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So whats the worst they can do?

Stop The blackmail ‘aid’ that does not reach avg pakistani at all? stop the funding madressahs and imams? Send pakistanis slaves trapped in saudi back home? Send the scientists and other highly skilled folks back? Wow i cant think of anything worse.

Seems a win-win situation for pak to me.

Its strange how they treat yemen &yemenis like dirt; meddle in its politics; refuse its membership of the arab council because its too poor; and now they are concerned for yemenis welfare? Many of my yemeni sunni friends dislike/resent saudis alot due to their arrogant attitude towards them.

The vague and contradictory stands of Pakistan and Turkey are an absolute proof that Arab security — from Libya to Yemen — is the responsibility of none but Arab countries, and the crisis is a real test for neighbouring countries.”]

You would think that much would obvious?!

[teggy]

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@bao_bihari

Since morning i am facing the music of this arab nationalists.

Ignorant nonesense people who just think pakistanis are some one who can be purchased (due to what our top brass is ) . I think although it may have a negative impact but just get out this depencecy on GCC/US/IRAN/CHINA etc in a respectable manner.

We should always support them if harmain is in danger but not to fight for them becuase they are scared to fight brave yamanis.

AsSalaamo Alaikum bro!

I’m sorry to hear that. But it is like you said, may be it will benefit more than harm, inshaAllah. Hang in there, and keep making duaa to Allah for guidance of all.

[OYMWA]

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@Jolie

It doesn’t make sense. I don’t know what your personal definition of your ‘pro democracy’ is, but no where in the credo of democracy, you are forbidden to consult your army over foreign policies (especially when it involves fighting wars). Let me tell you that even in Western democracies decisions on foreign policies are not made without the consultation and in some cases, command from the military and intelligence establishment. If that wasn’t the case Obama would’ve ended the Iraq War in 2008, as famously promised.

Pakistan consulting its own General is one thing. And it absolutely should. A foreign government consulting him is another. Why should Saudia, Iran, Afghanistan etc talk to General Raheel Shareef directly? Why should he even conduct foreign policy on behalf of Pakistan? That should be done through the diplomats.

[Sachaydino]

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@Shamraz_Khan

Have you noticed that every single member of the Parliament from all across the political spectrum voted no? And they all said one thing…our army is not for rent. Let Saudis who are clearly the aggressors in this case fight their own war. We need to grow balls and say no to getting involved in others wars. Our blood is not cheaper than Arabs and we will not fight and die for their wars.

Agreed here. Let Raheel Sharif be stopped to send his army overriding the wishes of Pakistan through NA. If Raheel Sharif send his army and I am sure it is already fighting there along with KSA and UAE frineds, what is the purpose passing such resolution where Raheel Shareef use it as toilet paper??? Care to explain???

In all such stupidity, N$ will face the wrath from KSA even Raheel Sharif send his army proving their stance that N$ and his cronies are no more than chapraasis of Raheel Sharif.

[Ali_Syed]

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Saudi Arabia dismisses Iran’s call for Yemen ceasefire - The Express Tribune

[Ajju]

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@Zafra

If the military had already said no please explain:

1. Why there were multiple trips to Saudi Arabia?
2. Why did Saudi Arabia state that Pakistan had agreed?
3. Why did the military send a delegation along with the civilians to Saudi Arabia?

I mean come on. If it was known a month ago the answer was no, why all this waste of time and space and why was there the trip to Turkey? The visit of the Irani FM. The discussions between Erodgan and Iran?

If General Sharif had agreed to Saudi demands in the first meeting, none of other trips and meeting would have been required. Since he was non-committed, all these other events came about which were all for nothing. That is my point.