Arabi Ajami

What does Ajami means? Does that refers to Non-Arab nations? Are it is for lack of some linguistic characteristics?

Re: Arabi Ajami

Ajami --> Ajam ?

Ajam meaning mute.
It used to be used for Persians....back in the day

Re: Arabi Ajami

Mute or dumb...?

Re: Arabi Ajami

dumb in sense of mute...............:D

Re: Arabi Ajami

You mean Arab children who couldn’t speak due to some problem were considered as Ajam? :konfused:

Re: Arabi Ajami

Not dumb, but unable to speak, illiterate, not-fluent.
I think what it comes from is that Arabs held their language in such high regard that anyone who didn't speak it was considered to be mute.

Given the Persia was one of the first places invaded by the Arabs, the word Ajam was applied to them with the intention of non-Arab and overtime it became that Persian/Iranian = Ajam. To some extent it was/is derogatory, and yet there examples of Persians using to refer themselves.

Supposedly, after completing the Shahnameh, Firdowsi wrote
بسی رنج بردم در این سال سی
عجم زنده کردم بدین پارسی
Something like "I've struggled much in these thirty years/I revived the *Ajam *with Parsi"

Re: Arabi Ajami

But Arab-Ajam relationship was intact even in prophet's time and even before. Two major forces Qaisar o Kisra (Kisra being Irani kings). I think Arabs were proud of their fluency (fasahat) and one who can't speak Arabic fluently was termed as Ajam. You are right that the term was basically used for Persians, being the major community Arabs were in contact. Some linguistics say that Ajam refers to barbarians, but I think if we compare Arabs and Persians of that time, Arabs were more barbarian than Persians :p

Re: Arabi Ajami

The word Ajam and variants/conjugations/and shizz appear in the Quran too.

My class just ended!

Re: Arabi Ajami

Yes the word appeared in many places. Actually there was an argument from Kuffar e Makkah about the language of Quran and there is a verse which says that 'if we revealed that (Quran) in Ajami language, then they would have argued that why it is in Ajami language, when the Prophet is Arabi'.

Even the opening lines of Hujjat u Wida Sermon talk about the mitigating discrimination between Arabi and Ajami.

Re: Arabi Ajami

I thought it was for non arabs :hmmm:

Re: Arabi Ajami

:nono:

The one can’t speak fus-ha (ghayr fas-hee) and not the non-Arab. The Ajami can be Arab, if he can’t speak fus-ha. In other words, the Ajami is a person, who has Ujma (hybridity and un-intelligibility) in his tongue and can’t grasped (fus-ha) Arabic.

Re: Arabi Ajami

aaj ke zamaney mai tou koe fusha nahi speak kerta :emmy:

Re: Arabi Ajami

In today’s time, Arabs can’t claim themselves to be fusha.. They have only 29 alphabets and we Sindhi have 52. They can’t pronounce our words :hehe:

Re: Arabi Ajami

:eek:

Re: Arabi Ajami

What happened LP?

Re: Arabi Ajami

Well I didn’t think sindhi had different alphabets:bummer:

Re: Arabi Ajami

It had more than Arabic, English and Urdu :cobra: There are Sindhi words that can’t be pronounced by Non-Sindhis.

Re: Arabi Ajami

There are chinese words that can’t be pronounced by non chinese:zobo:

Re: Arabi Ajami

OK LP aap ne kabhi mannat mani hai?

Re: Arabi Ajami

:cobra: