the last vid i saw some of what guy was saying - if i recall correctly it seems similar to a description of a (shia) sufi order ive heard about from a shia
edit: i recall what was said. it was a recomendation of an order that were neither muslim/xtian/jew or anything. considering who was speaking good about it and with that description i put it down as belonging to them
Yes ... note I didn't call them mushrik or say this was shirk ... because we do not know their intentions ... and according to some people there re different types of sujjood.
I however feel people of spiritual paths many take extreme lines and enable too much adoration that it becomes ridiculous to the onlooker and it becomes something of a repulsion instead of attraction to Islam. We need to always keep ourselves in balance and avoid extremes ...
It is not a measure of how much we love Allah (SWT), RasoolAllah (SAW) or the Awliya Karam in how much bijlee/current comes inside us or how much we cry and moan and put on displays of affection - rather we seek to avoid losing control - because we must always be in control of ourselves - what other wisdom for alcohol to be made haram? Sometimes Sufi poetry misleads people and sometimes scenes like this - even if they were not doing shirk the unaccustomed will think they are doing shirk ... And for me it is too close for comfort ...
I spent a long time away from learning about Sufism because of these antics, but if we study and research we will see that Sufism is plagued with falsehoods and faruds and excesses that give it a bad name - but there is an orthodoxy to it that can be found and in my opinion is the correct way to realise the full potential of being Muslim ...
Certain keys must be obtained before we open certain doors and the very first key should be the one of Tawheed - One must learn aqeedah inside out before embarking on the spiritual journey ...
Sajda is the ultimate act of submission one that is clearly reserved for the Creator only. I have no problem with people revering their ustads or teachers but surely there are many other ways to show reverence then an act which shows the ultimate level of servitude and worship. It is an act of servitude for towards the Creator who made us from clay and to the clay we shall be deposed. In the books of history there is a narration about Hazrat Ali that when he was departing for the battle of Siffein then groups of people were lining besides the road to prostrate before him as it was common to do for the Sasanite kings. Hazrat Imam Ali became very disappointed seeing the scene and said: What a joyless sin you commit! Go, I am too a creature like you.
As for the saying that it all depends on intentions then it is true but it is our acts that are the reflections of our intentions. For example, in a court of law, facts are found and the intention of the accused are determined. Similarly in Quran, Allah does not mention the names of the hypocrites among the small Muslim community of that time but from one occasion to another He mentions the traits of the hypocrites that determine the faith (or the lack of) of these individuals. Now I leave it to the reader/witness of such activity to decide on his/her own what a Sajda to an ordinary human signifies! and what do you think Rasool Allah would have done if people bowed down in front of him? Hazrat Imam Ali's response I gave earlier seems befitting.
I asked because I think when a person is in deeply depreation and the matter for him or related to his family is a question of either life of death and he was in situation of paranoia from past few days. That time if somebody helped him or solved his matter and he likes got a new life. That situation can lead him to do act of sajdah even if he did, don't remember. Lets say he wasn't thinked to do at all but inner-situation stimulated to thanks that saviour in such way to show how much he's gratitude towards the saviour.
Anyhow the person shouldn't loose control and another think we should always try to find truth behind any situation at first place before jump up to its conclusion and start dividend into groups.
Do tell people what you feel wrong about their belief, but in a mild way. Don't we remember instructions of Quran about how to preach? It has become a fashion to pin point others mistakes first calling them jahil to prove our superiority. That was my point LKK bhai.
There are far better examples of Sufi practices to reference here ... ones that are indeed rooted in the traditions. I am not a supporter of the way it has developed in the subcontinent. I have come from a Deobandi background in fiqh and hence I am always going to be partial to some of the displays as shown above.
To be fair, some of the people are kissing the feet rather than doing a sajdah. Kissing the feet is sign of respect and humility, while sajdah is shirk.
There are far better examples of Sufi practices to reference here ... ones that are indeed rooted in the traditions. I am not a supporter of the way it has developed in the subcontinent. I have come from a Deobandi background in fiqh and hence I am always going to be partial to some of the displays as shown above.
Peace psyah,
It doesn't matter from which background in figh you belongs. Almighty Allah only see who is more 'parheez-gar and have more taqwa'. Those who converted to Islam does it matter what was their original background? No. So Peace bro!.
That sight is sad … There is no Tariqah without Shariah …