You’re judging the world from the moral standpoint of a Westerner. By requiring the whole world to abide by moral principles laid down by your philosophers (mostly of dubious validity), you are imposing your will on the world, and it is in the nature of things that you will be resisted.
We don’t follow any Western philosopher or desktop conscience-stricken moralist. We follow Alla’h su’bh’ana’a wa’a ta’la, and his Prophet (SAW). And we follow each and every command, including the command to execute apostates. If you wish to disabuse us of this practice, then you will have to walk over our dead bodies.
I cry again: Allahu Akbar. Allahu Akbar. Allahu Akbar.
Great. Please enlighten me where Allah requires the death of apostates.
Those doctrines do not deny the existance of God. On the contrary, they allow you to believe whatever you want. Something your system does not.
Great. I’m stil waiting on that convincing evidence.
Are you sure all those people feel the same as you do? You can implement whatever laws you want. You can even call them God-ordained. But understand that you will be ostracized from the rest of the world.
Funny. That’s the same thing they shriek before chopping off someone’s head. Coincidence?
That’s an “internal” question since you are challening me to substantiate my beliefs by quoting authority. However, since you reject Islam’s worldview as decadent and flawed further on in your post, I have no obligation to consider such “internal” challenged from you.
No they do not allow you to believe what you want. It is one thing believing what you want, and quite another getting this belief institutionalised in society and enforced through the organs of the state. Your political beliefs are not only enforced at the point of a gun (since any challenge to your political system will be met with lethal violence), but are now being forcibly imposed on foreign peoples, with tremendous loss of life, misery and devastation.
So be it. Who cares about the rest of the world, other than cheap hedonists who mask their lechery behind lofty-sounding philosophy? For those who have true faith in All’ah’ SWT what the rest of the world thinks is immaterial.
The fact that you draw that conclusion just proves how prejudiced and jaundiced your brain has become towards those who shriek those words in innocence.
No you don’t. You don’t have an obligation to answer my posts at all. It is as I thought, you have no evidence. I have studied Islam, probably more than you have studied everthing outside of Islam put together. I never said Islam was decadent and flawed. Just your interpretation.
Democracy. That’s one of those subjects I alluded to above that perhaps you need to study. Free will. That’s another.
By classifying the rest of the world that way only further validates your hatred and ignorance of others. Too bad you can’t use some of God’s message of love in your interpretation of his message.
Sorry, I don’t consider chopping the heads off of contractors and those who advocate death for differing religious beliefs as innocence.
Now move along and play with your avatar some more. Perhaps you can find one even more devil like.
How modest of you! Of course, you’ve got the monopoly over wisdom and knowledge! This is just like the way your murderous buddies think when they think of going out to “civilise” the world. Don’t think your arrogance will convince anyone. It will only bring you ruin.
I’ve studied it to my satisfaction, and I don’t need to offer people like you any proof that I have. Free will. It’s a decadent doctrine, it’s dubious, it’s an exercise in self-delusion. We can take more than one position on free will and determinism. But simply because you trade these “big-sounding” words doesn’t mean that whatever comes out of your mouth should be given a more sacred status than what All’ah SWT has written down in his Eternal Laws. As for your democracy, it’s roots lie in Christianity, it is Christianity, and therefore we reject it.
I am not classifying the world “that way” irrecovably, since everyone is born a Muslim, it is only their parents or deluded ego that makes that otherwise. Same goes for you. But for those who advocate repudiation of strict Islamic doctrine, there can be no “love”.
I never said it was. But there are billions who utter those words everyday without any thought of chopping off heads.
one man’s devil is another man’s god. one man’s meat is another man’s poison.
After your posts here, you have absolutely no room to accuse anyone else of arrogance. You rule the roost on that, as if advocating death for apostates does not make that point loud and clear. We're done here death boy. I won't read any more of your self righteous hate filled drivel.
You have done very well to keep this arguement level. Frankly if I were to show my neighbors this thread, they would never believe me.
One can only imagine the shrieking if Christians proposed the same policies in the US or UK. If Pat Robertson proposed death to Muslims for refusing to acknowledge Jesus as the truth, the Western media would be in flames.
Now pardon me, but sometimes Arrogant Islam is really quite noticable. I always heard that Muslims strived to treat Non-Muslims well when "dhimmis" were living under Muslim rule. Jews were allowed to worship in peace, the same with Christians. There may have been extra taxes, and less than full rights, but facing death for denying Islam is a really radical view by any stretch of the imagination.
Behind this new radical view is a group of people who really do not respect "people of the book" in any regard. Ergo Arrogant Islam. I believe we are seeing a prime example here.
Does Pakistan have a constitution separate from Islamic law or not? Per constitution, it is not necessary to mandate every line of every interpretation of Islamic Law.
Even if you could, why would you want to do that? Do you think Islam will suffer if that’s not done? Why?
This kind of immature attitude gives the country and the religion a bad name
Actually we were speaking of England ..and I corrected you when you said states don’t mandate religion ..
Personally I don’t support extremist talk by any group and I don’t think extremist Muslims are right but I don’t at the same time care much for being told I have to constantly take responsibility for what people , whom I don’t know, ..say..
And I’m talking about the present. England doesn’t mandate religion. If we want to talk about history, there have been many instances of forced religion. The world has progressed since then.
Ok, I’ll buy that you don’t feel the need to speak out against what others say is an integral part of Islam, but why try to justify the extremist view by bringing up historical references?
No, it does not. You have to look at it holistically. As a belief system, Islam may be poison to the likes of seminole, but it is the dear faith of 150 million PAKISTANIS, who will die for Islam and die for an Islamic khilafah system. Executing murtadds does not mean that we are denying the truth of the proposition that “one man’s god is another man’s devil.” The act of execution is simply carried out in strict obedience to the commands of Allah SWT. We don’t ask Allah for reasons or justification for this command. We simply obey. We don’t discuss it. It’s not open for debate.
Bad name in the minds of Zionist-Imperialist-Crusaders like Seminole. The 150 million souls of Pakistan do not give a rat’s @rse about what these people think.
dude u arent making any sense. first of all why would u die for ‘islam’ ? what constitutes dying for “islam”? and if u wanna die for “islam” how does that relate to the topic of persecuting those that embrace some other religion?
you are already putting the question tendentiously. dying for islam? is that too difficult to understand?
you have to remember that our circumcision establishes a bond, a covenant with Allah SWT. Hence, apostasy is linked to circumcision, since it is reminder to every male murtadd that he owes a bond, that he’s stood surety for himself and will be called upon to put up the forfeit if he dishonours his bond.
as for “persecution”. that’s a very prejudiced way of putting it. it’s not persecution. as i said, you must understand the importance of circumcision and honouring one’s contracts (which can be entered into on one’s behalf by one’s parents).