Anyone know anything about AGA KHAANI people?

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They’re basically pakistni but have some wierd belief. They have pics of this white guy in there house and there businesses and like worship him.

Who are these business minded people who are so successful where ever I see em?

I was at this insurance company with my dad and this girl started talking about Islam with me. She goes are you guys a different part of Islam…I’m like no it’s all the same then i’m like ohh you mean sunni or shia and shes like no no no… she goes inside and brings out a photo of this white dude…

my dad jumps in the convo and he’s like ohhh those are aga khaani…great with businesses but follow things differently…

I recall a friend going over some paki girls house and she said she saw a picture of a white guy in the house and she asked them who that was and some little girl at the door said I don’t know i don’t follow the religion that much.

SOme one explain to me if you know —

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yeaaa man they hang these HUGEEE portraits of some white guy in their house..n i'm thinkin..WTH..whose he!

i duno much bout em tho...

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Rocki you have started this thread in the wrong forum. If you are looking for some value added discussion , I would suggest you ask the mods to move it to rel.

Secondly, its a faith that you are discussing, I wouldn't refer to someone as DUDE who is held in very high esteem by a certain group of muslims. It could hurt feelings. For your information that is Prince Kareem Agha Khan, the spiritual leader of the Agha Khanis (also called Ismailis). They have a large presence in Pakistan, with major concentration in Karachi and most of the Northern Areas of Pakistan follow Prince Kareem Agha Khan, specially the area around Gilgit, Hunza and Chitral.

AKRSP (That the Agha Khan Rural Support Program) is doing a wonderfull job of providing basic education and health services to the Northern areas.

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I knew an Ismaili girl in high school and I went to her house for lunch one day and I saw the picture and I asked her who it was and she told me it was Allah and she was like yeah Allah is coming to our house some time next week. Sooo I found that kind of odd.

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I know alot of them. but never asked them about their belief..
the only thing i know that they believe in is “Islam should be modernaized” means that Islamic rules should be changed according to new century :smack:
don’t know if iam right but tat is wat most of them tell me :slight_smile:

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Yeah we have an Ismaili masjid in our area and this girl told me that they have dances at there mosque and that men and women pray together. Like all the adults pray upstairs together and all the teenagers and kids pray downstairs, but not separate like we do, but men and women side by side. I have never seen it for myself so I dont know how true it is. She also told me that they have jummah on Friday nights rather then during the day and she told me that fasting is not mandatory for them since there on a journey. I was like HAIN? She said that this life is a journey so it is not mandatory for them to fast.

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^ told u.. their theory is that "Islam should change their rules" like a girl told me tat "Islam shouldn't force women to do hijab, because now it is not those times where man would look at women who doesnt' but now it is totaly common tat who does it or who doesn't" :)

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I know at school they have prayer sessions and I saw them carrying like this huge silver cup with tasbeeh’s in it. This one Ismaili guy told me that if your not Ismaili then you are not even allowed in there mosque and that they dont really read namaz, they just read tasbeehs.

I went to this milad un nabi function by Ismaili’s and there women were dressed in short short skirts, but with there heads covered :confused:

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He's not a white guy .... I think his mother was white but his dad's family were desis of persian descent and going back further of arab descent.

That "white guy"' 's grandfather (Aga Khan III) was one of the key players in the Pakistan movement. He was the man chosen by the All-India Muslim League to first approach the British government and demand the creation of an independent Muslim homeland in India.

What did YOUR grandfather do for Pakistan's creation?

Regardless of the details of their religious beliefs, the leadership of their community played a critical role in the creation of Pakistan.

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^ maddy here they are not talking about how great they are or wat they did to create pakistan.. but about their beliefs :)

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All i know about them is that they r not muslims..and have completely different beliefs that muslims..they dont pray namaz and i think they dont even fast in the month of ramadan. Women dont wear hijab and they dont have a concept of covering up thierselves..
I m not sure about all this things...But thats what i have heard and observed!

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i don't know alot about them...i just know agha khan hospital and aga khan medical school....

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It’s a white dude…it’s not GOD or a prophet of some sort. For what I’m hearing I don’t think they are muslims as it’s strictly forbidden to have idols up like hindus let alone having frames up.

James are you one?

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Ehh I dont know about not being muslim, since they do fall under the umbrella of islam. There not like qadianis who are considered non muslims PERIOD no questions about it, but its odd though since qadiani’s pray and follow the hanfi school of thought but are still considered kafir because of the whole promised messiah issue. BUT ismailis which are wayyy off are still considered muslims :confused:

Please correct me if I am wrong. :slight_smile:

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Agha Khanis, also called Ismailis, are an offshoot of Shia Islam. Mainstream Muslims, including Shias, don't consider them Muslims. They have 3 prayers in a day and don't fast. Moreover, they pray differently. According to their belief, God's message to humans has not stopped but rather continues through Imam descended through Hazrat Ali line.

Their present Imam is Karim Agha Khan, a propsperous, westernized, Paris-based person. It is binding on all Ismailis to contribute a portion of their income to the sitting Imam. That is why Karim Agha Khan is so wealthy.

Fatimids of Egypt were Ismailis.

In the past, they were very turbulant and had their center at a place in Iran called Hazar Mooth. Their leader was Hassan Bin Sabah. Hassan Bin Sabah raised a force of "fidayeen" whose duty was to assasinate notable Muslims. At Hazar Mooth, he had built an earthly paradise in which he he used beautiful girls and hashish on young men to make them "fidayeen" and willing to obey his commands, including commands to assinate his opponents and prominant Muslims.

Fort of Hazar Mooth was very strong and couldn't be destroyed by Muslim armies. Probably, it was destroyed by Mongol hordes.

One faction of Ismailis is Drozs of Syria and Lebanon. Droz consider a person, Al-Hakam (who was one of Fatimid emperors that disappeared mysteriously) God.

Some scientists of Muslim era were Ismailis (Ibni Seena).

Present populations of Ismailis are in Northern Pakistan (Gilgit, Chatral, Hunza) and Karachi, Northern Afghanistan (Badakhshan, Baghlan), Southern Tajakistan (Gorno-Badakshan and Kulab), and Zingiang province of China.

Some analysts predict that there would be an Ismaili state in the north in future.

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Qauid-i-Azam also belonged to an Agha Khani (Ismaili) family. According to "Political History of Pakistan...volume IV" (by Zhid Choudri):

"Qauid-i-Azam belonged to middle class Agha Khani (Ismaili) business family of Karachi. His father, Jinna Ponja, was a partner in the leather-exporting firm of his elder brother. He had seven children and Qauid-i-Azam was the eldest.....(Later) He, upon the advice from his relative, Qasim Moosa, who was a minister of Agha Khan, shifted to Bombay".

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Following are excerpts about Qauid-i-Azam from an Encyclopedia article:

“Personally, he always advocated what today would be described as secular views. In his first speech in Pakistan he expressed an outlook that was not of a fundamental Islamic Republic, after which his political career came to a sudden halt. It is widely known he was a non-practising Muslim, he had a non-muslim wife and was definitely not a symbol of an ideal muslim. On the other hand, others have pointed out that he changed his confessional identity from that of an Ismaili](http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/reference/ismaili) (Ismaili: An adherent of Ismailism; a member of the Ismaili branch of Shiism) Khoja](http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/reference/khoja) (Khoja: more facts about this subject) to that of an Ithna Ashari](http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/reference/twelvers) (Ithna Ashari: twelvers or the “ithna asharia” are members of the group of shias who believe in twelve…
[follow hyperlink for more…]) (the dominant Shi’a ideology), which given his uncompromising character, was not something he would have done lightly or without a strong belief one way or the other.”

“Jinnahs birthplace and date of birth are disputed; however, it is generally believed that he was born in Wazir Mansion, Karachi](http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/reference/karachi) (Karachi: The largest city in Pakistan; located in southeastern Pakistan; an industrial center and seaport on the Arabian Sea; former capital of Pakistan) , and raised in Bombay](http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/reference/mumbai) (Bombay: A city in western India just off the coast of the Arabian Sea; India’s 2nd largest city (after Calcutta); has the only natural deep-water harbor in western India) . His father](http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/reference/father) (father: A male parent (also used as a term of address to your father)) was Jinnahbhai Poonja, from Gujarat](http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/reference/gujarat) (Gujarat: An industrialized state in western India that includes parts of Bombay) (the younger Jinnah dropped ‘bhai’ from his name, in 1894). Jinnah’s father lived from 1857-1901. Jinnah’s family had Hindu](http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/reference/hinduism) (Hindu: A person who adheres to Hinduism) , Ismaili](http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/reference/ismaili) (Ismaili: An adherent of Ismailism; a member of the Ismaili branch of Shiism) , Shia](http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/reference/shia_islam) (Shia: One of the two main branches of orthodox Islam; mainly in Iran) and Sunni](http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/reference/sunni_islam) (Sunni: One of the two main branches of orthodox Islam) ancestry; and the family was primarily Ismaili.”

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Thanks for the info!! Interesting!

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Actually, the family was very close to Western powers. The first Agha Khan (Agha Khan I) had migrated from Iran to India to escape persecution by Shias. Later, they were co-opted by British and to this day are very pro-West or rather a llied to Western economic, cultural, and political elite.

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That "white guy"' 's grandfather (Aga Khan III) was one of the key players in the Pakistan movement. He was the man chosen by the All-India Muslim League to first approach the British government and demand the creation of an independent Muslim homeland in India.
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Muslim had been established in 1905 by Agha Khan and his comrades, mostly Muslim elite and feudals. And the primary objective of ML at that point was to arrest and re-instate the vaning influence of Muslim feudals, which was increasingly being threatened by spread of democracy, rise of an Urban Hindu middle-class , and emancipation and political activation of Hindu peasantry. The idea of a separate Muslim state, as a political agenda, where Muslims could pass their lives according to Islamic Sharia, was put forward later during the initial days of WWII.

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What did YOUR grandfather do for Pakistan's creation?

Regardless of the details of their religious beliefs, the leadership of their community played a critical role in the creation of Pakistan.
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But Pakistan had been created as an ideological state, according to claims by Pakistani ideolgues, where Muslims could pass lives according to Islim tenets. Obviously, the demand should've been made by someone that had belief in the mainstream Islam.

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Here is an article about Ismailis.

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/reference/ismaili