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at the same time talk to ppl from karachi who went to chandka and other rural sindh universities and how the local population treated them.
btw Imdad do you know if teh govt had banished the lame quota system so second division rural students could get into Karachi professional colleges while first division local students could not? the whole domicile gig?
Fraudia: Sindhis without question welcomed refugees and migrants during partition. If you look at the time period and what was done to them, they suffered immensely for Pakistan and sacrficed a lot for the people who settled in places like Karachi. The backlash began in the 70's but even then I don't think there was ever a time where clashes were fair.
My father migrated from Ludhiana, East Punjab. My grand parents had migrated from Ghazni, Afghanistan. I am a Muslim, Pakistani!
my ancestors migrated from britan...during the british rule in india and settled there...new dehli ..then grandfather moved from dehli to karachi :D
me a mohajir!! but first a pakistani ;)
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One thing is for sure, simply saying one is Pakistani is a dead give away that the person is in fact mohajir with no real identity, unlike what Punjabis, Sindhis etc have.
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So Mohajirs have no real identity? WHat sort of gibberish is this? People from different parts of the country are identified by what part they are from. People from karachi are Karachites just as people from Lahore are Lahoris or . If anyone has had over three generations in Pakistan they are as Pakistani as anyone else in the country. If Karachi is where you have been brought up then a Karachite you are! Quit all this mohajir stuff. I know some people here who have these MQM parties at their house and when they get together they shout slogans like "Jiyay Mohajir". How crazy is that! Point being if you are going to make a special effort at seperating yourself from the rest of the people how do you expect others to not exclude you too?
my mothers punjabi but dsnt spk it we speak urdu / english, and my dads father was a muhajir from hyderabad india
arent most of us in the world are mohajir????
for whatever reason we tend to migrate!
my parents migrated from a remote village in Gujrat, (Pakistan )to lahore.
and i moved to uk from there. (i hope not permanently).
if its only people from india(now) are called mohajir.
first they shouldnt consider themselves mohajir. secondly all others also dont make them feel like they are strangers, because they are not!
they are same people.
they should be given more respect because they left their forefathers place just because of PAkistan! and thats a great sacrifice.
ofcourse there are some people who are so pround of their roots everyone should be. but it doesnt mean that we dont accept them as ourselves.
for altaf bhai I just say he could have done much better , he has the good leadership qualities but he used this name to make more problems than cure. He could have done much more for our brothern (i dont want call them mohajir or different from myself) in stead of useing their name to create a political force for his own personal gains.
its a shame really.
Mohajirs are just as Pakistani as anyone else, there forefathers worked just as hard and sacrificed much more for Pakistan than anyone else.
If they came from the Indian Punjab then refer to them as Punjabi, if they are from Sindh then refer to them as Sindhi and if they are from Gujerat then Gujerati Pakistani and so on… quit this Mohajir bull****. Of course if someone wants to be referred to as Mohajir then there’s nothing wrong with it…
Pakistan was made as a HOME for every Hindustani Muslim.
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PT, don’t get too hung up over your Pakistani identity, since ten years ago you too would have been shouting slogans of “Jeay Altaf” had you been in Karachi during those troubled times.
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That is so untrue... I live in Punjab, and alot of my family moved to Karachi, just for better businesses. Considering all of them were die hard supporters of Nawaz Sharif, which is explainable because Nawaz carried the Punjabi angle, virtually all of them hate Altaf Hussain. Most of them have had their houses robbed more than once, and the decoits were MQM activists in most cases. Alot of them had to shut down their shops, when MQM activists would parade with guns and insult them. Even though all of them are Punjabis, they hail Benazir's interior minister at that time, Baber, who put up a brave fight against these terrorists. No one will ever forgive these MQM terrorists for flushing a great city like Karachi with blood.
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Fraudia: Sindhis without question welcomed refugees and migrants during partition. If you look at the time period and what was done to them, they suffered immensely for Pakistan and sacrficed a lot for the people who settled in places like Karachi. The backlash began in the 70's but even then I don't think there was ever a time where clashes were fair.
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Zakk..everyone sacrificed in those days, people who migrated sacrificed their ties to ancestral lands, businesses, lost their loved ones, life savings. Yes the locals welcomed that, but that seemed to change later with jealousy, greed and nationalism rearing its head. There was a sentiment that somehow all mohajirs got ahead at the expense of sindhis and owed them something.. the classic haves and have nots issue.
As I have said before, ask anyone who is a non sindhi and has gone to study in an interior sindh university e.g. chandka, and find out in general how Karachi students were harassed by locals, while Karachi universities had to keep out local students to accomodate inferior students from the interior..proof of that can be had by looking at the grades of local students vs interior sindh students in any professional college or university in karachi in the 80's and 90's. I cant say that for now because I dont know for a fact that the domicile based quota system still exists or not.
so karachi based students who could get into interior sindh universities on pure merit would be discouraged due to teh hrassment of students. Some choosing to get into a different program at the local universities rather than exposing themselves to the abuse they may face at interior sindh unis.