My family migrated from Gurdaspur, in East Punjab to West Punjab, and like other Punjabis we dont consider ourselves mohajirs...
so in short, are you people
- muhajir based on the true meaning of the word ‘muhajir’?
- peace loving MQM muhajir?
- Altaf and guns and tanks loving MQM muhajir?
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In Pakistan, their is no such thing as Pakistani. You are either Sindhi, Punjabi, Pashtun or Balochi.
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I like to be different.
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I like to be different.
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PT, only if more people tried to be different we would be much better off :)
Isn't calling one's self 'mohajir' being different? What more can you ask for..
Its a shame really!
No. We are mohajir because in Pakistan one has to be identified with an ethnic label. Nothing more and no sinister motives behind the label.
i see that people are discussing backgrounds here..i am a pakistani by birth :) and now i live in canada..if you are asking about my extended family then..my grandfather and grandma (paternal) migrated to pakistan after the partition..dadi was from rae bareilli and dada was from bans bareilli..dada was in land customs in pakistan so he lived in all different parts of pakistan before settling into karachi..maternal grandparents however stayed in india even after the partition..and my mom was born and brought up in lucknow..she came to pakistan after the marriage..so i have family in pakistan as well as india.
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Well I knew I was going to get such answers. I guess I should have clarified the meaning of mohajir when I used it. I had a political definition in mind when I used the word. But, no harm done. All mohajirs are welcome, Urdu speaking, Sindhi speaking, Punjabi speaking, Pushto speaking to opine and have their voices heard.
Well, despite what some would say, mohajirs do share a common bond, especially those from urban Sindh. We are not natives of Pakistan in the true sense and even after 55 years some do not accept us. Our identity of being mohajirs is also a little sketchy as some do not accept this label, while others prefer being referred to as Urdu speaking. One thing is for sure, simply saying one is Pakistani is a dead give away that the person is in fact mohajir with no real identity, unlike what Punjabis, Sindhis etc have.
Outlaw, yes my name is unique among my type, perhaps my parents who lived in Lahore were influenced in this regard.
Lost soul, you have an interesting family history, and I too am a proud citizen of Sindh, albeit one who like you, does not speak much Sindhi. A shame isn’t it?
PT, don’t get too hung up over your Pakistani identity, since ten years ago you too would have been shouting slogans of “Jeay Altaf” had you been in Karachi during those troubled times.
No, I am not an Altaf supporter, far from it, but I do support mohajirs aligning and uniting together politically. Everyone else has a ethnic based political organization, so why can’t people who have lost their identities over time, come together?
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I support you, as long as you do whats best for the country, and keep its intrest at heart....
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Look, PT no one is stopping you from saying you are Pakistani, but be realistic. In Pakistan, their is no such thing as Pakistani. You are either Sindhi, Punjabi, Pashtun or Balochi. This is why Altaf created the APMSO. It was a response to what he saw at Karachi U, where every ethnicty had his own student organization, but Urdu spekaing people were left with no group to call their own. It was a natural reaction from mohajirs to organize when they saw other groups doing the same. Yes, MQM has lost a lot of its respect and direction and Altaf has become to much of a urban wadera.
But you can call yourself Pakistani all you like, but in the end you will have to know what your ethnicty is. The poor people in Karachi also used to call themselves Pakistani, but it did not save them from being picked by CIA, Police, Rangers, and Punjabi-Pushtun Ittehad thugs and tortured to death.
Degas, Rajput, unlike in Punjab, there was and still remains a huge urban rural divide in Sindh.
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First of all, this concept of not being pakistani within Pakistan is exactly how it is in all countries. Its simple human psychology. For example, in America, no one is really an American unless they leave the country. I for one feel like a Pakistani when I am in America, and just another joe when im in Pakistan.
Another example, no one in South Asia considers themselves Desi, but if you come to New York, Bengalis, Pakistanis, Indians, Sri Lankans, they all identify themselves as being desi.
Another example, when im with Punjabis, I usually feel more comfortable with Northern Punjabis as opposed to say Lahoris. So our Punjabi identity no longer applies when there are only Punjabis around.
I assure you that if all of Pakistan were made up of Mohajirs, then even they would break up into different groups, according to the state they originated from in India. But since these so called Mohajirs are surrounded by local peoples, they tend to band together.
The point is, to understand what it is to be a Pakistani, you have to leave Pakistan first and live amongst strangers.
As for being beaten by Punjabis and Pathans, I assure you its the same all over Pakistan. No one has it easy anywhere in Pakistan, everyone is a victim.. Just read the news, Mohajirs and Sindhis arent the only ones taking it hard.
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No. We are mohajir because in Pakistan one has to be identified with an ethnic label. Nothing more and no sinister motives behind the label.
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Why do you "HAVE" to identify yourself with ethnic labels?
Ditto PT.. This is how I feel too..
I don’t know why people prefer to be identified as Sindhi, Punjabi, Pathaan or Balochi.. Even 1000’s of miles away from home.. Why can’t they be just Pakistani.. and nothing else.
When you meet a fellow Pakistani here of the first time, then their first priority is to get to know “Aap peechay kidhar se hain..?” thing.. 
Well, maybe our parents were mohajir, and yes mine were too.. But I am a Pakistani, 'coz I was born there and not anywhere else..
The all the Pakistani’s start thinking this way, we will become surely a strong and a better country..
The same Altaf bhai, because of whom thousands of young lives boys found their death and just as many families were ruined and left helpless.. Now he is enjoying his stay away from all the **** that he caused.. And married a girl from a community which he once tried to wipe out from the face of the earth… How deceiving can one get.. :yukh:
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No. We are mohajir because in Pakistan one has to be identified with an ethnic label.
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Not unless if you want to.
Great 
Now I’m in the awkward position of defending Altaf the terrorist.
In the spirit of the truth, I don’t know where you got the idea that Altaf or MQM wanted to"wipe out from the face of the earth" i.e., call for genocide against Sindhis. If you know anything about the MQM movement, it began as a direct revolt against the Urban-Rural divide in Sindh along ethnic lines. Their goals, to be fair, were to give Urdu Speakers representation through detaching the urban areas from Sindh, and creating a new province, hardly the plans for taking over all of Sindh. Lets not forget the language riots of the 1950s in Sindh long before MQMs time and Sindh’s general suspicions of Urdu speakers throughout the history of Pakistan. Altaf may be a terrorist but he is no hitler!
Also MQM has terrorized the Urdu speaking community (their constituents) and hade metamorphed into a quasi-terror group.
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Why do you "HAVE" to identify yourself with ethnic labels?
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Same reason you identify yourself as a Pakistanis when in America. IT's just the way things work. I don't know the answer of why or why not. Human nature I guess.
People always feel closer to others from the same background and situation.
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Same reason you identify yourself as a Pakistanis when in America. IT's just the way things work. I don't know the answer of why or why not. Human nature I guess.
People always feel closer to others from the same background and situation.
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Yeah, but I dont HAVE to identify myself as an Pakistani America. No one is forcing me to , I choose to. And if thats the way things work, then what are you so upset about?
weird but no Pakistani ever asked me about my cast or my religion here in Qatar. Its my Parents who usually get asked questions like "whats your cast?" from indians.
As far as being a mohajir is conserned, my grandparents are from Jammu-Kashmir. does that make me a mohajir?
i think im a mahajir aswell:confused:
Re: Anybody here a Mohajir?
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If Punjabis can start a"What Caste are you?" thread every month, so can we!
Anybody here a mohajir and what is your background from India?
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Caste topic covers all south asia. Mohajir is not a Caste! they also have castes. Castes/Tribes exists all over sub continent. so its really worng to link this to only punjabis!
if muhajir only mean moving from india, then I am not cause my ancestors were based in sialkot/gujrat, pakistan. my parents moved from gujrat to lahore, so it does make me mohajir too if the "Hijrat" is only concern here. which I think not the case.