roger that, i thought that since many people actually do beilef that the rasul :saw: was light and not flesh and bones human, i wanted to clear that out.
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**How do you know that this guy was living in Holland? May be he went there just to kill that Dutch pig. There are lots of Muslims with true faith that will do it. **Like there are lots of Muslims who are willing to kill that Rushdie pig, but Zionist govt of these westerns countries provide intense security to any pig who bad mouth Islam, so they can encourage others to do the same. That bitch Taslima Nesreen is another example. She has been living in exile in Sweden.
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Oh, so it's okay to go to another country and destroy people there if their way of life doesn't agree with yours? You're entitled to do this, you say?
OK, then I guess you approve of everything that has happened in Iraq. Interesting!
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Banning hijab and scarfs in Europe is getting very famous these days. Did you read?! Practising "khutbas" after or before namaz is already being banned in many places, did you hear?!
Strange that you didn't comment on my other I.E: Dubai
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How can you compare the hijab issue with murder? Do you not think they differ in seriousness somewhat? I am solidly against the hijab ban, even though I myself do not believe that hijab is a part of Islam, but that is another issue. I do not know about the khutba ban, perhaps you can educate me. But the issue we are discussing here is murder of a human being and some people’s reaction to it, not what others are doing. We don’t let others dictate what is right or wrong to us, so why do you keep on bringing what others do to justify your beliefs? Your beliefs should be strong enough to stand on their own feet.
When Allah asks you on the day of judgment to explain some stance, will you try to give the excuse that because others were doing so and so, you were justified too? I hope not.
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We are talking about his insults and the blasphemic behaviour of this guy. I can't remember about any European politician or celebrity who survived when harrassing Jews and their Religion. Do you?! I guess this is the best example to give you an idea how bias the society is.
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How many European politicians or celebrities have been murdered for speaking against Jews or their religion in the recent past? But more importantly, how many mainstream Jews have supported or justified such a murder?
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You didn't get the point. Did you? I never justified his Killing. But I will not shed a tear. You see a difference? Fraudia already clarified this.
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So, just to be clear, you would also not shed a tear for the murderer, if he were to die? And it is your choice not to shed tear for life taken, but I am glad that you will not justify it, because many of your messages seem to tell me otherwise.
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NO! It's about the oppression not a Jihad. It's the comparison about your so called "sufi idealogy" (that In my eyes never existed that why). If you been a Sufi of that time, I'm pretty sure you woul have turned tables. Ppl like you are weak in core. This is what my life experience tells me. Scared and keep themselves oppressed and impressed by the
higher FORCE. I pity you
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I don’t think I am the weak one, since I do not change my core beliefs based on what others do or say. I always look to myself and to the teachings and guidance of the Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) and the words of Holy Quran itself. My morals or ethics do not change based on world events or polices of nations. I am not the weak one here, for the weak are known to fall in the trap of vengeance or revenge over others wrongs, perceived or real.
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If I wish to do so, Ill become budhist. Don't worry about that, but gladly I'm still considered a Muslim.
My words haven't had less emotions but otherwise ppl just don't understand. But Im sure you are one of those who will learn. As much shame as you feel now for your own society, culture, men tradition and religion, one day the more you will love em!
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You don’t need to be buddhist to find peace within yourself and to strive for peace in the world filled with hate and violence. What did the great Iqbal say?
khudi ko kar buland itna
ke har taqdeer say pehlay
khuda banday say khud puchay
batta teri raza kaya hai
Hatred never helps anyone, but it hurts all.
If you diss islam you know what to expect you gonna have 2 billion people on your case!
So simple lesson is don't insult other peoples beliefs like this muppet in holland did!
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*Originally posted by Deewaanagi: *
Oh, so it's okay to go to another country and destroy people there if their way of life doesn't agree with yours? You're entitled to do this, you say?
OK, then I guess you approve of everything that has happened in Iraq. Interesting!
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Many radical Christians in America do approve it. This election result is a good example.
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*Originally posted by Deewaanagi: *
Oh, so it's okay to go to another country and destroy people there if their way of life doesn't agree with yours? You're entitled to do this, you say?
OK, then I guess you approve of everything that has happened in Iraq. Interesting!
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Good point, destroying a nation in a outragous bid to "liberate" them is OK, but all these crocodile tears for this scum. Hypocrites.
I think it is a good point, although you've deliberately twisted it to suit your beliefs. Agent Smith, if you disapprove of the philosophy when the US enacts it in Iraq, you have to disapprove of it when a Moroccan enacts it in Holland.
That's alL i was trying to say...
November 9, 2004, 5:12 PM EST
THE HAGUE, Netherlands – Suspected arsonists set an Islamic elementary school on fire Tuesday amid a string of attacks following the killing of a Dutch filmmaker by an alleged Islamic extremist.
Firefighters were struggling Tuesday night to extinguish the flames at the burning Bedir school in the southern town of Uden, where someone had scrawled “Theo rest in peace” in the building in homage to slain filmmaker Theo van Gogh.
Uden Mayor Joke Kersten told Dutch television she didn’t know the exact cause of the fire but suspected arson. She said the school had not been the target of prior attacks.
Arsonists also attempted to burn down two Protestant churches overnight in Utrecht and Amersfoort, in apparent retaliation for the bombing of a Muslim elementary school in Eindhoven on Monday, police said.
Muslim sites have been the target of a half-dozen attacks in the past week.
No injuries have been reported and no arrests have been made.
Tensions have been high in the Netherlands in the week since the murder of Van Gogh, who was shot and stabbed in Amsterdam by an alleged Islamic radical after he released a movie critical of Islam.
In Utrecht, police arrived Tuesday to find that a church window had been smashed and a container of flammable liquid thrown inside. In Amersfoot, several Molotov cocktails were thrown at the outside wall of a church.
Copyright © 2004, The Associated Press
Well, burning things sure seems to get some attention. Perhaps some Nepalese are running around the Netherlands?
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*Originally posted by ak47: *
If you diss islam you know what to expect you gonna have 2 billion people on your case!
So simple lesson is don't insult other peoples beliefs like this muppet in holland did!
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If you murder someone who is following the law and traditions of his own country, you're going to have retribution against all your people, innocent or not.
So simple lesson is don't murder people whose beliefs are not the same as yours.
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*Originally posted by Seminole: *
If you murder someone who is following the law and traditions of his own country, you're going to have retribution against all your people, innocent or not.
So simple lesson is don't murder people whose beliefs are not the same as yours.
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So you want to say that its a tradition in Holland to mock Religion very interesting. Which beliefs are you talkin about?! Christianity doesnt say show naked women with Quran carved in to the skin, nor does Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism, maybe fanatism and blasphemies.
I mean i have heard a lot of bs on this forum. But this beats everything SO FAR.
Netherland is famous for its hatred for Islam and Muslims, this is nothing knew. No wonder if you look at back the History of Holland we will know why.
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*Originally posted by Ali_R: *
So you want to say that its a tradition in Holland to mock Religion very interesting. Which beliefs are you talkin about?! Christianity doesnt say show naked women with Quran carved in to the skin, nor does Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism, maybe fanatism and blasphemies.
I mean i have heard a lot of bs on this forum. But this beats everything SO FAR.
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You ought to read some of your posts.
What is it so hard to comprehend? Freedom of speech is allowed, encouraged and even subsidized in Holland.
Very interesting, you then post this after saying mocking religion is not a tradition in Holland. 
Which is it? See what I was talking about reading your own posts?
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Well, burning things sure seems to get some attention. Perhaps some Nepalese are running around the Netherlands?
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Yeah those Nepalese cannot tell the differnce between Mosques and Protestant churches aparently...
FoS, you call that!
Then why do you complain about beheadings for criminals in Islamic Countries? Shouldn’t you accept and respect the Laws of other countries as you have stated that so often.
As those Laws in your US of A:
Alabama
In Jasper, it is illegal for a husband to beat his wife with a stick larger in
diameter than his thumb.
It is illegal to play Dominos on Sunday.
It is illegal to wear a fake moustache that causes laughter in church.
Putting salt on a railroad track may be punishable by death.
Alaska
In Fairbanks, it is illegal to feed alcoholic beverages to a moose.
While it is legal to shoot bears, waking sleeping bears for the purpose of
taking a photograph is prohibited.
Arizona
In Tucson, it is illegal for women to wear pants.
In Globe, it is illegal to play cards in the street with a Native American.
In Glendale, it is illegal to drive a car in reverse.
In Nogales, it is illegal to wear suspenders.
Arkansas
A man can legally beat his wife, but not more than once a month.
In Fayetteville, it is illegal to kill ``any living creature.''
Schoolteachers who bob their hair may forfeit their pay raises.
Flirtation between men and women on the streets of Little Rock
may result in a 30-day jail term.
California
In Los Angeles, a man may legally beat his wife with a leather strap,
as long as it is less than two inches wide, or she gives him permission
to use a wider strap.
It is a misdemeanor to shoot at any kind of game from a moving vehicle,
unless the target is a whale.
In Pacific Grove, ``molesting'' butterflies can result in a $500 fine.
In Pasadena, it is illegal for a secretary to be alone in a room with her
boss.
It is illegal to set a mousetrap without a hunting license.
In Long Beach, it is illegal to curse on a mini-golf course.
In San Francisco, it is illegal to wipe one's car with used underwear.
It is illegal to cry on the witness stand in Los Angeles courts.
Colorado
In Durango, it is illegal to go out in public dressed in clothing
``unbecoming'' one's sex.
In Logan County, it is illegal for a man to kiss a woman while she is asleep.
In Pueblo, it is illegal to let a dandelion grow within city limits.
Connecticut
In Hartford, it is illegal to educate a dog.
It is illegal to dispose of used razor blades.
In New Britain, the speed limit for fire trucks is 25 m.p.h., even when going to a fire.
In Hartford, it is illegal for a man to kiss his wife on Sunday.
Delaware
In Lewes, it is illegal to wear pants that are ``form-fitting'' around the waist.
Getting married on a dare is grounds for an annulment.
It is illegal to fly over any body of water, unless one is carrying
sufficient supplies of food and drink.
Florida
In Miami, it is illegal for a man to wear any kind of strapless gown.
Unmarried women who parachute on Sundays may be jailed.
In Sarasota, it is illegal to sing while wearing a bathing suit.
[More lunatic Laws...](http://www.lunaticlounge.com/fringefiles/morelaws.html)
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"Netherland is famous for its hatred for Islam and Muslims, this is nothing knew. "
Yes, Nepal is a hot bed of hatred too…
OG, a poll recently published states that more than 40% can’t tolerate Muslims in their country. Check it out, dude!
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*Originally posted by Agent Smith: *
Yeah this is my Islam and if you don’t like it you can shove it. Who cares what you have to say about Islam? Do you think that is it going to make any difference if phonies like you have any worthless comments? Say what ever you want to say. It won’t be enough to change the faith of 1.3 billion Muslims.
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Who cares? Well if no one cared what people like me had to say about Islam, then that director guy would still be alive:) So obviously someone does care...
But dont worry, I dont belive in your religion, specifically because of but plugs like you. Im comfoted by the fact that there are actually decent Muslims out there, and there probably a lot better Muslims then you are or ever will be. What kind of Religion would have us murder people, and do it in the name of god? Thats not what I was raised to believe, not sure about you though. And Im not trying to change anyones faith, 1.3 billion Muslims arent as sick and twisted as you are, so get over yourself. Its the few sick perverts like you, who are nothing more then petty criminals, having no respect for anything and claim to represent
Islam. Its people like you that make life difficult for Muslims everywhere. You my friend are a Plague, and a disease. Americans know just what to do with your kind, and you deserve it.
Can you blame them