It doesn't matter where the murderer lived before he killed this man. There is freedom of speech in Holland. If Muslims of "true faith" have a problem with westerners practicing their freedoms in their own countries too freakin' bad. Stay in your khalifah and practice your hate there. You are welcome to push people off cliffs, topple walls on them or chop off their hands, but you can't practice your murder in the name of God in elsewhere. And when you do, prepare for the consequences.
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How do you know that this guy was living in Holland? May be he went there just to kill that Dutch pig. There are lots of Muslims with true faith that will do it. Like there are lots of Muslims who are willing to kill that Rushdie pig, but Zionist govt of these westerns countries provide intense security to any pig who bad mouth Islam, so they can encourage others to do the same. That bitch Taslima Nesreen is another example. She has been living in exile in Sweden.
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It doesn't matter where the murderer lived before he killed this man. There is freedom of speech in Holland. If Muslims of "true faith" have a problem with westerners practicing their freedoms in their own countries too freakin' bad. Stay in your khalifah and practice your hate there. You are welcome to push people off cliffs, topple walls on them or chop off their hands, but you can't practice your murder in the name of God in elsewhere. And when you do, prepare for the consequences.
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prepare for the consequences.
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And yes he will and should face the consequences but I really don’t think he is worried too much about the consequences.
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It doesn't matter where the murderer lived before he killed this man. There is freedom of speech in Holland. If Muslims of "true faith" have a problem with westerners practicing their freedoms in their own countries too freakin' bad. Stay in your khalifah and practice your hate there. You are welcome to push people off cliffs, topple walls on them or chop off their hands, but you can't practice your murder in the name of God in elsewhere. **And when you do, prepare for the consequences. *
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Since when do Americans care about other countries? Especially HOlland a European country.
Well there is just one lil problem: Gogh is dead meat not the person who murdered him.
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prepare for the consequences.
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And yes he will and should face the consequences but I really don’t think he is worried too much about it.
agent smith, where do u get your "facts" from. the guy was an idiot for taking the law in his own hands and delivering what he thought was justice.
would you like for someone to come and deliver their view of justice to you if they dont like what u are doing?
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And yes he will and should face the consequences but I really don’t think he is worried too much about the consequences.
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I'm talking about the consequences and reprecussions for others that also consider this a 'religious responsibility' that pays with 'heavenly rewards'.
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*Originally posted by Ali_R: *Since when do Americans care about other countries? Especially Holland a European country.
Well there is just one lil problem: Gogh is dead meat not the person who murdered him.
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Are you really that biased that you are going to stereotype 300 million people? That's an insult on many levels including to those hundreds of thousands of Americans who sacrificed their lives to liberate Europe.
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They already doing it, do i have any choice?! I dont see the West integrating to countries like Dubai, Saudia Arabia etc etc, rather forcing those to change their systems. Or am I wrong here?
And every integration has its limit, otherwise I wouldnt be no Muslim right now.
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You are indeed wrong. In Saudi Arabia, you are not allowed to have churches, even though you have Christian immigrants working their. Imagine if any Christian country banned mosques. What would your reaction be? And whatever change is occurring in Muslim nations, is the work of Muslims themselves who seem to like Western culture better then their own culture. It is not as a result of any large scale immigration.
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Reelection of Bush is it right or wrong?! I dont see anything reflecting in me which would either say he is the guy give him another go or that ******* shoot to kill him. YOu know why?! I think you know!
It is a question of your idealogy your thinkin your freedom of movement. I'm allowed to talk and think and criticize here, no one can hinder me. I feel free, I'm not sure you do. Especially when working for a NEWS PAPER how Independent It might be!
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Don’t know how Bush fits in here, but I am just commenting on your disregard for the murder of this man, whether he was anti or pro Muslim is not important. That he was human and murdered by someone who took the law in his own hand is against basic Islamic doctrine of justice. That you are free to express your opinions is a testament to the Western society you live in, but this same freedom was not afforded to this director.
But make no mistake, freedom does not from written laws, it comes from the self, and your morality, culture, and belief system. Mine teaches me that murder is wrong, yours may not.
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Those wars fought from our Prophet (pbuh) if he would have acted like you I'm definate the Religion ISLAM would have been no more already after the first 1-2 yrs. Don't you think?!
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Comparing the Prophet (PBUH) or jihad to a murdering thug who killed an unarmed man because of what he spoke just shows me that your moral compass is broken.
My words may be harsh, but it is for your own good that you examine your inner self and seek the ultimate truth in life, not rely on emotion or political issues to colour your view of right and wrong in this world.
ALI_R : Our beloved prophet Mohammed(saw) was HUMAN also-- referring to an earlier post by you. He(saw) was the best of HUMANS.
Sadiqaan well put.
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ALI_R : Our beloved prophet Mohammed(saw) was HUMAN also-- referring to an earlier post by you. He(saw) was the best of HUMANS.
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Thats somethin very interesting IM hearing here. Prophets are human with a magical touch or what?
So in ur sense every human can be a prophet too. Interesting.
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Are you really that biased that you are going to stereotype 300 million people? That's an insult on many levels including to those hundreds of thousands of Americans who sacrificed their lives to liberate Europe.
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Oh plz Semi! Spare me with that.
The same Americans who sold the Oil, Petrol and Weapons to the Nazis and said look guyz we have defeated them for your protection and our cause is done?!
Yeah! I would be very proud about them as well.
And if your American buddies do really care about others except their own security and their own life, they wouldnt have voted like they did today. And yes that makes perfect sense to me.
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Yeah! I would be very proud about them as well.
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I'm sure you would be. Maybe one day you or yours will save the world from totalinarism, commuism and nazism and be proud of the sacrifices it took.
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And if your American buddies do really care about others except their own security and their own life, they wouldnt have voted like they did today. And yes that makes perfect sense to me.
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I never said my American buddies would put the security of Holland before their own, but that's a far cry from stating "Americans don't care about other countries".
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**You are indeed wrong. In Saudi Arabia, you are not allowed to have churches, even though you have Christian immigrants working their. Imagine if any Christian country banned mosques. What would your reaction be? And whatever change is occurring in Muslim nations, is the work of Muslims themselves who seem to like Western culture better then their own culture. It is not as a result of any large scale immigration.*
Banning hijab and scarfs in Europe is getting very famous these days. Did you read?! Practising "khutbas" after or before namaz is already being banned in many places, did you hear?!
Strange that you didn't comment on my other I.E: Dubai
Don’t know how Bush fits in here, but I am just commenting on your disregard for the murder of this man, whether he was anti or pro Muslim is not important. That he was human and murdered by someone who took the law in his own hand is against basic Islamic doctrine of justice. That you are free to express your opinions is a testament to the Western society you live in, but this same freedom was not afforded to this director.
We are talking about his insults and the blasphemic behaviour of this guy. I can't remember about any European politician or celebrity who survived when harrassing Jews and their Religion. Do you?! I guess this is the best example to give you an idea how bias the society is.
But make no mistake, freedom does not from written laws, it comes from the self, and your morality, culture, and belief system. Mine teaches me that murder is wrong, yours may not.
You didn't get the point. Did you? I never justified his Killing. But I will not shed a tear. You see a difference? Fraudia already clarified this.
Comparing the Prophet (PBUH) or jihad to a murdering thug who killed an unarmed man because of what he spoke just shows me that your moral compass is broken.
NO! It's about the oppression not a Jihad. It's the comparison about your so called "sufi idealogy" (that In my eyes never existed that why). If you been a Sufi of that time, I'm pretty sure you woul have turned tables. Ppl like you are weak in core. This is what my life experience tells me. Scared and keep themselves oppressed and impressed by the
higher FORCE. I pity you
*My words may be harsh, but it is for your own good that you examine your inner self and seek the ultimate truth in life, not rely on emotion or political issues to colour your view of right and wrong in this world. *
If I wish to do so, Ill become budhist. Don't worry about that, but gladly I'm still considered a Muslim.
My words haven't had less emotions but otherwise ppl just don't understand. But Im sure you are one of those who will learn. As much shame as you feel now for your own society, culture, men tradition and religion, one day the more you will love em!
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good to see the muslim community in holland condemn this horrific act. what really struck me was a morrocan carrying this out - most morrocons i know belong to the shadilli order, and are the nicest people to be around with. as far as the film's director goes, one must not forget that even falwel characterized the Prophet (pbuh) as a terrorist, and then later apologized for it. acts such as these only hurt the image of Islam.
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I'm sure you would be. Maybe one day you or yours will save the world from totalinarism, commuism and nazism and be proud of the sacrifices it took.
I never said my American buddies would put the security of Holland before their own, but that's a far cry from stating "Americans don't care about other countries".
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Yes Semi, I would be especially after knowing that all the harm done to the gypsies, black, jewish is now an eye for an eye situation by accusing one NZ officer after another before going after the big Ami companies which truly once had money and joy in the game when all the poor had to be murdered, raped and killed.
And not even this was enough. Some took money after trials and put it into the pockets of the worst declared democracy, the terror state with banana flair Israel....thats why I have all reasons to be very proud of you and your Nation who helped them in this issue.
I wouldn't consider the two status from being far away from each other, If the elections don't display the hatred, fear and anger about other nations, religion, culture and tradition, then what else proof you considerably need?!
Ask us European and you will know the answer!
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Ask us European and you will know the answer!
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Oh, wise and all-knowing European, let me grovel at your thankless feet. Gypsies and banana flairs aside, things would be very different for Europeans if not for the sacrifice by the Americans. So we should have spared American lives and allowed Europe to stay under the rule of Nazis or over run by communists? You think this Dutchman gave Muslims fits...
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Oh, wise and all-knowing European, let me grovel at your thankless feet. Gypsies and banana flairs aside, things would be very different for Europeans if not for the sacrifice by the Americans. So we should have spared American lives and allowed Europe to stay under the rule of Nazis or over run by communists? You think this Dutchman gave Muslims fits...
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So you think the 3rd Reich would have only burnt us in the KZ wood oven flames?!! Dear you are wrong!
The next roasted buffalo would have been you. It would have been just a matter of time......but now it's history. I adore the billions you give in charity to the poor Zionists, I'm pretty sure Arafat had some bites of it as well. But two wrongs dont make a right, agree?!
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Thats somethin very interesting IM hearing here. Prophets are human with a magical touch or what?
So in ur sense every human can be a prophet too. Interesting.
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Say (O Muhammad SAW): "I am only a man like you. It has been inspired to me that your Ilâh (God) is One Ilâh (God i.e. Allâh). So whoever hopes for the Meeting with his Lord, let him work righteousness and associate none as a partner in the worship of his Lord." (Al-Kahf 18:110)
brother rasul are HUMANS but only Allah chooses who to make rasul, so ppl cant become rasul if they wanted to or even if they tried very hard.
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brother rasul are HUMANS but only Allah chooses who to make rasul, so ppl cant become rasul if they wanted to or even if they tried very hard.
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Bhai, I know that, I just keep differ between Prophet and Human as for the very reason above. :)